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heavenmercenary01 on 24 November 2020

No, Nintendo paid 20.000 billion to Get that exclusive.



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Bofferbrauer2 on 24 November 2020
src said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

So? Should we do a list of games that were slated to be PS4 exclusive and then came over to the Switch? Would be at least as long as yours...

And about the bolded part: Sony is the one with the constant moneyhatting to have games on their platform, not Nintendo. That has been proven time and again.

The vice versa list would not be nearly as prominent.

Nintendo lost, MH,DQ, the best selling Japanese third party games of all time.

Keep in mind Playstation lost both of them before when the Playstation brand showed visible signs of shrinking in Japan. Sony got both only due to the Wii U being so damn bad at sales and the 3DS so damn weak. Now that Nintendo doesn't have either weakness anymore, both are coming back to Nintendo. You could see it well with the DQ XI S definitive edition first and now MHR releasing in a couple months.

Video games have long production times, so many games that are getting released now have still begun production only around the time the Switch got released, so the Switch being a big success was far from guaranteed at the time. Games that started development in 2019 or later on the other hand, are starting to flock over to the Switch, as the Playstation brand clearly has nothing to counter the Switch in Japan.



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curl-6 on 24 November 2020

You almost have to admire trying to argue in favour of Sony in Japanese sales threads of all places when they're getting absolutely curbstomped by Nintendo on their home turf these days. Almost being the key word.

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animegaming on 24 November 2020
RolStoppable said:
src said:

Definitely are considering Nintendo actively pays money to publishers to make their games exclusive. They paid Capcom 15 million just to delay the annoucement of MH Rise PC lmao

Bear in mind, Sony also sees importance of third party exclusives, though they go after far bigger properties.

Do you have any credible source that hints at or confirms that Nintendo is paying for exclusivity of specific games?

We do know from the recent Capcom leaks that Nintendo did pay for 6 months of time exclusivity for Monster Hunter. But judging by the leaks Capom only has plans to port the game to PC and not Playstation and Xbox. 

Though its pretty obvious that all 3 companies do pay major publishers for some kind of timed exclusive content and Nintendo and Sony are the ones most aggressive with it. 

curl-6 said:

You almost have to admire the stubbornness of trying to argue in favour of Sony in Japanese sales threads when they're getting absolutely curbstomped by Nintendo on their home turf these days. Almost being the key word.

And its only really src that does it, they do make these threads a lot more entertaining no matter how wrong they are.



BlackBeauty on 24 November 2020
animegaming said:
RolStoppable said:

Do you have any credible source that hints at or confirms that Nintendo is paying for exclusivity of specific games?

We do know from the recent Capcom leaks that Nintendo did pay for 6 months of time exclusivity for Monster Hunter. But judging by the leaks Capom only has plans to port the game to PC and not Playstation and Xbox. 

Though its pretty obvious that all 3 companies do pay major publishers for some kind of timed exclusive content and Nintendo and Sony are the ones most aggressive with it. 

curl-6 said:

You almost have to admire the stubbornness of trying to argue in favour of Sony in Japanese sales threads when they're getting absolutely curbstomped by Nintendo on their home turf these days. Almost being the key word.

And its only really src that does it, they do make these threads a lot more entertaining no matter how wrong they are.

We gon need a source on Nintendo paying capcom because the leak I saw clearly said it was SONY who paid capcom to keep MH world off Nintendo platforms. Sony paid for PS4 launch exclusivity in the west and permanent exclusivity in Asia. 



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Eagle367 on 25 November 2020
animegaming said:
RolStoppable said:

Do you have any credible source that hints at or confirms that Nintendo is paying for exclusivity of specific games?

We do know from the recent Capcom leaks that Nintendo did pay for 6 months of time exclusivity for Monster Hunter. But judging by the leaks Capom only has plans to port the game to PC and not Playstation and Xbox. 

Though its pretty obvious that all 3 companies do pay major publishers for some kind of timed exclusive content and Nintendo and Sony are the ones most aggressive with it. 

curl-6 said:

You almost have to admire the stubbornness of trying to argue in favour of Sony in Japanese sales threads when they're getting absolutely curbstomped by Nintendo on their home turf these days. Almost being the key word.

And its only really src that does it, they do make these threads a lot more entertaining no matter how wrong they are.

Wait how is it obvious that Nintendo is the 2nd most aggressive with it? We only have the one example here compared to Sony where we have many examples. You can't just take one example and run with it. Can you give more examples with references please?



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Jumpin on 25 November 2020

Even Sony’s paying for timed exclusives pales in comparison to Microsoft’s outright buying of companies for content. How much has Microsoft forked over in the past 20 years?



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animegaming on 25 November 2020
Eagle367 said:
animegaming said:

We do know from the recent Capcom leaks that Nintendo did pay for 6 months of time exclusivity for Monster Hunter. But judging by the leaks Capom only has plans to port the game to PC and not Playstation and Xbox. 

Though its pretty obvious that all 3 companies do pay major publishers for some kind of timed exclusive content and Nintendo and Sony are the ones most aggressive with it. 

curl-6 said:

You almost have to admire the stubbornness of trying to argue in favour of Sony in Japanese sales threads when they're getting absolutely curbstomped by Nintendo on their home turf these days. Almost being the key word.

And its only really src that does it, they do make these threads a lot more entertaining no matter how wrong they are.

Wait how is it obvious that Nintendo is the 2nd most aggressive with it? We only have the one example here compared to Sony where we have many examples. You can't just take one example and run with it. Can you give more examples with references please?

The biggest example I can think of is Dragon Quest 11S, it was announced the other platforms would be getting the additional content (albeit having to buy the game again) around the time the Switch port turned a year old, then there is Octopath Traveler and Daemon x Machina which got ports to PC around 6 to 12 later which is usually the window that time exclusives last and those were games that Nintendo was heavily marketing prior to launch.



src on 25 November 2020

It is amusing to see posts that have no actual point try and respond to my posts.

RolStoppable said:

src said:

Definitely are considering Nintendo actively pays money to publishers to make their games exclusive. They paid Capcom 15 million just to delay the annoucement of MH Rise PC lmao

Bear in mind, Sony also sees importance of third party exclusives, though they go after far bigger properties.

Do you have any credible source that hints at or confirms that Nintendo is paying for exclusivity of specific games?

Yes, Capcom themselves via the recent leak. Or is reality to much for some to handle here?

Wyrdness said:
src said:

The vice versa list would not be nearly as prominent.

Nintendo lost, MH,DQ, the best selling Japanese third party games of all time.

animegaming said:

Lets be honest here, the Switch version is gonna outsell the Playstation version by a good margin considering the history of the franchise and how JRPG's been performing on Switch especially in the last year or two. 

Expected as TWEWY was a prior Nintendo exclusive, however if this is just the start then the franchise can become just as popular on PS. There is a far bigger SE JRPG audience on Playstation (FF,KH,Nier) than on Nintendo.

Definitely are considering Nintendo actively pays money to publishers to make their games exclusive. They paid Capcom 15 million just to delay the annoucement of MH Rise PC lmao

Bear in mind, Sony also sees importance of third party exclusives, though they go after far bigger properties.

animegaming said:

And when it comes to Japan though, that is assuming that PS5 doesn't continue the decline Playstation has been facing in Japan. Though it should get sequels to some of the big heavy hitters on the PS4 sooner, since it looks like FFXVI could release as early as late 2021 and if those documents from the Capcom aren't outdated, the follow up to Monster Hunter World is 2023. Both of those have a good chance of not hitting Switch, but for another big sequel to a PS4 game, DQXII. I think is that gonna be multiplat with Switch and PS5 with the former being the lead platform for the game and Nintendo definitely more likely to help market then Sony. 

PS3 -> PS4 decline is like 5% and would be smaller if it was not for the stock problems and PS5's BC.

Capcom also has:

  1. Dragons Dogma
  2. Pragmata
  3. SF6
  4. RE8
  5. RE4 Remake
  6. RE Multiplayer title

SE, Capcom,TK and NB will be supporting PS5 a lot more than PS4, as they had their biggest successes of all time thanks to the PS4.

How did Nintendo lose MH when it originated on PS platforms and was on PS2, PS3 and PSP as well as PC? DQ was also on PS platforms from the PS1 era through to the PS2? Not only do you have no actual point here you don't really have a clue on what you're on about either. TWEWY was on mobile and I guarantee you the NS version of the second game will outsell the PS4 game.

This isn't rocket science.

Nintendo lost MH after having it exclusive for an entire generation, a total of 5 exclusive games reduced to 1. Having DQ9 was amassive third party exclusive, alongside its numerous spin offs, of which Nintendo have lost nearly all.

Its not about the point of origin, its about the change in hands. Bringing up TWEWY mobile is desperation at its finest, when the contention was console sales. It would be worrying for Nintendo if a prior Nintendo exclusive somehow didn't sell more on its future console than on PS.



src on 25 November 2020
Bofferbrauer2 said:
src said:

The vice versa list would not be nearly as prominent.

Nintendo lost, MH,DQ, the best selling Japanese third party games of all time.

Keep in mind Playstation lost both of them before when the Playstation brand showed visible signs of shrinking in Japan. Sony got both only due to the Wii U being so damn bad at sales and the 3DS so damn weak. Now that Nintendo doesn't have either weakness anymore, both are coming back to Nintendo. You could see it well with the DQ XI S definitive edition first and now MHR releasing in a couple months.

Video games have long production times, so many games that are getting released now have still begun production only around the time the Switch got released, so the Switch being a big success was far from guaranteed at the time. Games that started development in 2019 or later on the other hand, are starting to flock over to the Switch, as the Playstation brand clearly has nothing to counter the Switch in Japan.

Not really. They're coming back but are not exclusive like they once were. Instead they now have notably popular Playstation SKUs. MH Rise is made by the Generations team, which was just one of many MHs 3DS that the SW will not.

The mainline MH, MH World will be effectively Playstation exclusive in Japan.

You're also wrong. PS4/5 has better Japanese support than the SW, even looking at titles one gets and the other does not.

PS4/5 titles missing the SW:

  1. P5R
  2. Aegis 13
  3. Yakuza 7
  4. Sakura Wars
  5. Gran Blue Fantasy
  6. Project Awakening
  7. Nier Remaster
  8. FF16
  9. Certain Falcom games
  10. Pragmata
  11. Ghostwire Tokyo
  12. RE8
  13. DMCV: SE
  14. Elden Ring
  15. Tales of Arise
  16. Scarlet Nexus