Who attacked Sony? No one is attacking Sony here. I said this is a good start for them, assuming it’s even true that these games are cross gen. Mark your inability to answer my question down as another non-surprising development, please.

I think its just as likely they didnt drop anything. I suspect this was always their plan, but they suckered their fans in order to let MS take the heat for as long as possible. They did the same thing when they started charging for online, and now again with increased retail game prices.

Where did you get the info that Demon's Souls will come to PS4?

Spiderman Miles is running on the Spiderman PS4 engine (improved), so why mention it in regards to true next gen titles when it never was one in the first place?
Even if they had said it's only on PS5, it'd still look very much like a PS4 game with PS5 enhancements.

Horizon is kind of a surprise, but we didn't really see any gameplay from it, so in that sense I guess not.

Anyway, personally I never had any issues with Microsofts approach, and I usually prefer for consoles to still get games after their successors come out.

I don't think that's what PS Plus Collection is.
It seems to be a part of PS Plus, for PS5. Seemingly free. As an incentive for people to buy the console and get a PS Plus subscription.
GamePass focuses on new games. PS + Collection is older PS4 games.

PS Plus Collection is seemingly a free addition to PS Plus subscribers on PS5.
Gamepass is a separate subscription not tied to the console.

The incentive of the former is to sell more PS5 consoles and PS Plus subscriptions. The latter is to get people into a separate subscription service that they can ideally use anywhere.

Which next-gen exclusive plan did they drop?
OP seems to be mistaken about Demon's Souls. That's apparently still only for PS5 for the duration of the exclusivity.
And I don't think Horizon or Spiderman were stated to be only for PS5? At least I don't see it in the trailers from 3 months ago. And Spiderman should be no surprise since it's running on the PS4 game's engine with improvements.

To determine the value of something, you must first know its price.

It seems to be a free addition to PS Plus for PS5. So $0 would be pretty good value for existing subscribers.
If you look at it from the perspective of a new customer, is $50/year for the PS Plus Collection, plus the monthly PS Plus games, etc, good value? Maybe.

Agreed, this was always their plan. You don’t just add previous gen versions of games after they are well into development. These are games slated to release by 2022, the decision would have been made long ago. I just find the contradictory news so weird, like they flat out categorically denied months ago that MM was coming to PS4, and also that the PS4 game would be remastered on PS5, and yet here we are.

Yep, this is it exactly. It is clear that PS5 are not too different from series X in that some games will overlap with the previous gen. The difference is that Sony hasnt comitted to doing this for a particular time. Otter's point is also correct in that MS has not been able to demonstrate a clear next-gen difference with their consoles which has led to the questions about how the current gen is dragging down the next gen.

Regarding the Japanese games comment, irrelevant to the topic and horses for courses. 

SNY may have wanted to do this all along and sat back to see what MS did first, taking any heat, maybe. They also may have figured if MS isn't going to compete with their games for at least 2 years, new hardware or not, why should we push too hard? SNY has the lead and momentum, so they might as well back off a bit and keep their PS4 user base happy while also having more than enough for PS5 to make it a worthy purchase.

The last thing SNY wants is for (potential) PS4 owners to decide to get an XBSS. If they can't/won't get a PS5, for now anyway, you also want to keep them away from the competition if you can without screwing yourself. Cross gen exclusives will help accomplish that, as long as SNY doesn't slack on next gen exclusives at the same time.

Are you comparing the reversal in cross-gen policy at today's show to Sony beginning to charge for online in Nov 2013? And you think they suckered their fans and "let MS Take the heat"....for an entire gen that spanned 7 years? I don't think that's the same thing at all.

 More generally on topic: I don't like this! Lame decision. When I saw @Rafie's post, I almost shit my pants. I haven't seen such a crappy job of messaging since the last time the Xbox team said something about anything.

I compared nothing. I just listed a few, top-of-my head examples of Sony making decisions that are not in the best interest of consumers, after acting (or even outright stating) like they would not.

Sometimes, this occurs with at best the wilful ignorance of, and at worst the actual support of their fanbase.

Vindication by a service that is nothing like GamePass?

haha, ok.

Thread need locking up!!
OP and every xbots fan agreeing with him are childish and ignorant.
@ everyone else, stop wasting your time with these creeps....

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