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20% talent
20% hard work
60% luck

Edit: well, "talent" is basically luck too. So, make that 80%.

Last edited by mZuzek - on 28 August 2020

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vivster said:
kirby007 said:
This is ten percent luck
Twenty percent skill
Fifteen percent concentrated power of will
Five percent pleasure
Fifty percent pain
And a hundred percent reason to remember the name
Cobretti2 said:
kirby007 said:
This is ten percent luck
Twenty percent skill
Fifteen percent concentrated power of will
Five percent pleasure
Fifty percent pain

great song lol.

First thing that came to mind. Such a great tune. Wanna be like Mike.

People do tend to focus way more on themselves and aren't great at comparing in general, especially when it get's more and more complex. If you can't comprehend yourself, how much less work you actually may be doing, it's going to impact you negatively, as well as others. If you're supposed to be doing the same work, for the same pay, and you're not pulling your weight, then over time this is going to be an issue, and will eventually bring down if not break the group. This is why constantly praising people and always being as positive as possible is a problem. That's not to say the opposite is better, but people need to be brought back to the balance of reality when they stray, and sometimes individuals need to learn the hard/harsh way unfortunately.

If you're in the Matrix for long enough, the rule is not to free you, because the mind has too much trouble letting go (of fantasy land) and its dangerous. This isn't just something written into the story to hold it together, it's a legit life lesson, like the many others that come up.

Luck of course being something that exists if you don't believe in fate/destiny. Though in that case, if fate doesn't exist, and every choice you make is what writes your fate as you go, then you're basically making your own luck. Is Harvey Dent lucky? What if you assumed luck and choice were similar if not the same thing? Not all choices are equally good or bad, just like how not all luck is equally as lucky or unlucky. What if the reason for your luck of birth and possibilities was due to the choices other people made, like your parents, or the Founding Fathers of America? Was that all due to luck, or did choices lead to those outcomes as well?

If the choices you made make you lucky, and that allows you to become successful, then is it really a negative that successful people get to make the rules? Assuming of course they are using their past luck to assure that if you follow those rules, you'll have the best chance of succeeding like them, instead of some who might use their luck to rig the system against you.

One man's trash is another man's treasure? One man's luck is another man's choice?

It get's much more complicated when you take into account some successful people are prone to being responsible, knowing many others aren't at that level, so they want to control as much as possible, which can in ways be detrimental. Many of these people also have to struggle with ego. It clouds the minds judgement and isn't easy to deal with. Too confident or to spineless are seen as negative traits, especially for leaders, so finding the balance of ego isn't easy. This is just the tip of the iceberg.

If fate does exist, and that's all there is, then you're just along for the ride, good and/or bad. Much less complicated, though also much less exciting.

Any chance life could be some of both perhaps? Like some video games? You're going to start and end in the same pre determined manner and be set on a path. You get to make choices along the way, but you're at times ending up at certain checkpoints no matter what. The choices you make determine how lucky you are as you reach each of those checkpoints. Deja vu? Just a thought. Who knows?



Zkuq said:
BraLoD said:
Which success?

Oh, you have several?

None.



Praying is more important than luck.
Praying is more important than hard work.
Not successful in life, you must pray more.



Just had this convo today. Funny. Hardwork is overrated. Fun is what matters. Have fun when you work.



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Phoenix20 said:
Praying is more important than luck.
Praying is more important than hard work.
Not successful in life, you must pray more.

"Gods good humor".

4:55 - 6:33 (The whole clip is great in terms of some of the successful elites taking their luck for granted)

If only someone hadn't chosen to try and make headlines. Oh how your luck can change in such little time. 



Personally... talent.

I am lazy as fuck. But I accomplish more than most despite that.

I am self evaluating. I see how successful I have been being lazy as fuck and am trying to find ways to to be not lazy. I believe I could be even more successful if I could maximize my talent.

Oh and I do not believe in luck. I believe some people are naturally intuitive which means they perceive truths even if they cannot quantify them. A highly intuitive person will appear to others as lucky.

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End of 2009 Predictions (Set, January 1st 2009)

Wii- 72 million   3rd Year Peak, better slate of releases

360- 37 million   Should trend down slightly after 3rd year peak

PS3- 29 million  Sales should pick up next year, 3rd year peak and price cut

In my own life?

Some of it was hard work. I put myself outside my comfort zone and pushed myself to try things that by their nature were very difficult for me, like helping run camps, teaching classes, and public speaking. When the opportunity arose, I seized it, and worked hard at it because it did not come easily to me. And through those efforts I did become successful at my job as an autism advocate.

A lot of it was also luck; I was fortunate enough to be born in a first world country where workplaces could meet my special needs, and where there was a welfare safety net and universal healthcare there for me when I needed them. 



Bet with Liquidlaser: I say PS5 and Xbox Series will sell more than 56 million combined by the end of 2023.

bigjon said:

Personally... talent.

I am lazy as fuck. But I accomplish more than most despite that.

I am self evaluating. I see how successful I have been being lazy as fuck and am trying to find ways to to be not lazy. I believe I could be even more successful if I could maximize my talent.

Oh and I do not believe in luck. I believe some people are naturally intuitive which means they perceive truths even if they cannot quantify them. A highly intuitive person will appear to others as lucky.

Talent is a part I agree, but I think hard work and talent go hand in hand. People view hard work as just working thoughtlessly taking up time and by doing that eventually you will struck gold. But like gold mining, the guy that digs ground that has been mined and can't identify it has been mined is wasting their time. 

Hard work means being a doer for sure, but more so like you said being intuitive and always being aware of what is going on around you in the world (or your environment on a smaller scale) and making the right choices at the right time or adopting to a situation or change before the ship has sailed and left you behind.

Most humans are lazy by nature. Some take laziness to the extreme and feel like they can't do anything so they sit at home and collect welfare. Or they don't value having say $100,000 to spend on nice things over say $20,000 just enough to afford food and being at the beach every day.  Intuitive people will say yes I am lazy, but how can I achieve the outcome I want. For example, with UNI, you can study extreme long hours, or you can study smart.  Extreme long way is to study and learn everything, the smart way is to study past exams and look for patterns a teacher might be using. Then focus on nailing things you think will be in the exam and then learn a few other things just enough as backup. Or even as simple as analysing what each part of an exam is weighted towards the final grade. For example, lets s say you have two lecturers who teach two things for one course. If one lecturer teaches 1 day a week and the other teaches 4 days a week, over a course of say 15 weeks ones, notes are much shorter than the other. If both lecturer's sections are worth 50% on the exam, you study the one with less notes to learn. As you can see from this example, hard word was put in, but it was used intuitively not to waste time.

Saying all that, we all have different drivers in life on what we deem "successful", so I will not bag anyone out for their life choices. What pisses me off is people who bag out others for having more than them. Especially if you are in the same country, you have the same opportunities as everyone who has succeeded if you set your mind to it. In fact, especially true for Australia, many migrants have come from shitty situations and have made life better for themselves. Why is that? Why are Aussie locals so complacent to just float and hope it comes to them? Because they are born into an easy life style and don't know better or how to do things for themselves.



 

 

maybe i should level up my LUCK so i get a better position in life lol!