Damn you, Colts, Titans, and Seahawks!

Well, hopefully I'll have better luck next season.

Bruh, this ain't 2002. We don't merely look at big numbers and hand out crowns to whomever has them. Giannis had a better per-36 scoring average than Harden last year. The only reason Harden scored more points is because he played 566 more minutes. I'd mention all of the other stats that Giannis owned Harden in, but I don't have all day, and you wouldn't read them anyway.

But since you say "historical", how many players in the history of the league have ever won both MVP and DPOY? Besides the Greak Freek, two: Hakeem Olujawon about 27 years ago, and Michael Jordan.

The fact that Giannis was even in the discussion for DPOY (something that Harden won't even get in the top 100 of for his position, ever) tells you a lot more about his MVP candidacy than "played a lot of minutes at high usage, chucked a lot of shots and got to the line a million times".

Congratulations on beating me this past weekend. You're as great an NFL predictor as you are a horrible an NBA predictor. ;)

If you want to continue this conversation - and I don't get why, because you either completely ignore stats and factual evidence, base your entire logic on the West being the superior conference, or just ignore me altogether - then please quote me and paste it to an appropriate NBA thread so we don't keep going off topic in here.

I'm just as good at predicting NBA results as NFL results just look at 2020 NBA playoffs thread for the proof.  Also the West is still the dominant conference in the NBA a will be so for a while to come.

All season I've liked the Rams. I think the one time I picked against them was vs. Tompa Bay. Yet because of all the QB issues, I switched to the Seahawks. And then they further had issues when their starting QB went down in the 1st and Goff had to play with a bum thumb. And somehow the Seahawks still got thrashed??

I've been reading this again and again for the last ten minutes and I genuinely can't figure out if that's a shot at me for being a Browns fan, or a heartfelt consoling after all the tragedy us fans have been through.

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No, no, no, the main crux of all of my complaints about the Steelers this year have hinged around the team being mismanaged to the point of not addressing Le'veon Bell's departure after his 2018 holdout.  Pittsburgh ranked 32nd out of 32 teams in rushing this year, averaging just 84 yards per game.  I said that was going to be a problem in December and the postseason, and it was.  Not taking anything away from what the Browns accomplished under the circumstances they had to play under in any way.  Just frustrated with the mismanagement of my own team, as I feel that Big Ben's best and last years are being wasted.

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On the surface it's a very emotional moment between Pouncy and Big Ben... but from a Browns fan perspective, it's like watching the fall of an evil empire. So delicious.

I really like insight so I ask questions out of pure curiosity. Do you believe, as a Steelers fan, that there's a locker room issue that Tomlin has not been nipping in the bud for some years?

I'm saying this as an outside observer, but it seems the O line and wide receivers are toxic in PIT. And these young players never grow out of it. Which is why you have Claypool gloating about his stats in his loss to the Browns and saying they are going to get clapped next week by KC, or the JuJu drama. Hell even a couple years ago it seemed like your O line was shitting all over Bell which drove him out Pittsburgh.

Yes, I have definitely seen it.  Tomlin had zero control over Antonio Brown while he was in Pittsburgh and Facebook Live-ing team locker room meetings.  Terry Bradshaw took some flak 4 years ago for saying that Mike Tomlin "is not a great coach.  He's really a great cheerleader guy.", but I have always though he was on the mark.  Tomlin has been coasting for a long time now on a Super Bowl ring in 2008 that he won with a roster of players drafted by Bill Cowher (who had won the Super Bowl in '06 with 13 of those same starters).  The Le'veon Bell departure, and inability to mature guys like Brown, Martavis Bryant, continuing through the current WR depth chart, and especially his mishandling of QB depth chart last season have completely soured me on his coaching ability. 

When the question of Ben Roethlisberger potentially retiring came up years ago, Tomlin answered, "We've been preparing for that for some time."  Landry Jones was the #2 QB on the roster at that time, and it was 100% clear that Jones was not going to be capable of taking over the reigns.  Sure enough, Jones is no longer with the team.  So last season, Ben goes down for the season in Week 2, and suddenly the Steelers have 14 full games of experience to give to Mason Rudolph who they drafted the year before.  What does Tomlin do?  As soon as Rudolph has a horrendously bad game, he replaces him with Devlin Hodges (who was cut after the season and brought back to the practice squad this year after no one else signed him).  After Hodges had a horrendously bad game, Tomlin yanks him to put Rudolph back in.  Rudolph gets injured at that point and it's back to Hodges.  What should have been an experience building year for Rudolph turned into a QB carousel.  And for what reason?  So, Mike Tomlin could squeak out an 8-8 finish and say that he hasn't had a losing season.  So instead of legitimately preparing for life after Big Ben, Tomlin passed on an experience building season for a future starter to finish at an arbitrary .500 mark and miss the playoffs anyway.  I would have had more respect for a losing season that built toward something.

I might be overly critical, but for all the division titles and winning records over the past decade, I see a lot of things wrong, and a lot of missed opportunity.  And the window on that opportunity has been rapidly closing.