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theRepublic on 14 August 2020
DonFerrari said:
Intrinsic said:

That's because the PC platform has so far been an open platform. And being open comes with its own quirks. First, you see multiple stores, then you start seeing "store" exclusives. And before you know what. you start to see content specific to certain stores within games available on both stores. Its just competition, its just business. All these people are in it to make money.

Lets put our personal biases (god or bad) towards any company aside and look at this practically. I am going to use Playstation as an example here since I am most familiar with them, but what I am saying is applicable to everyone in some way or the other.

  1. You set out to build a new console. You spend hundreds of millions to billions of dollars on R&D, infrastructure, and marketing. You release your product. If this product fails, it's all on you. You absorb all the losses associated with that product.
  2. Now you have created a product that can and will be sold to as many people as possible. You even do things like take a loss on the hardware to enable you to come in at a price that would allow you to sell as many consoles as possible.
  3. The cornerstone of this business model is that you make money from the actual sales of software on your platform.
  4. Then someone comes along, decides they want to tap into the users on the platform you have created, but also decides they don't want you getting a dime from them and they instead make all the money?

How is that fair?

An argument can be made that publishers can push for platform holders to take less money from them, but you will find that platform holders would require certain things from the publisher in turn (again, it's a business) eg.. fine, we will drop what we take from you for every game sold from30% to 5%, as long as you make your game exclusive to our platform.

That just how it works, and its a fair system.

I hope we can get to a point where the other companies don't need to pay royalties to Sony to launch the game on console, but also get no access to the devkits and whatnot. Just because Sony is thriving with themselves fully controling their system (but also enjoy putting their app on ios, android and some games on PC) doesn't mean it is good or worse fair. Sony isn't mandated to sell HW for a loss, they just do because that is what bring more profit to them under current model.

Are you trying to say you want to go back to the early 1980s, where a lot of crappy unlicensed software showed up on consoles with the console manufacturers being able to do absolutely nothing about it?  You do realize that caused a market crash right?  There is a reason the licensing and royalty model exists.



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kirby007 on 14 August 2020
Nautilus said:
kirby007 said:

Apple has a monopoly on ios no matter how you feel about that. And thats the case epic makes, apple has a forced monopoly on ios while google has a natural on android because the smartphone manufacturers can add their own store like samsung and wahway

IOS is their product... it would be the same as saying MCDonalds has a monopoly on MCDonalds and they should "open up"

WRONG if we were to translate your example with what apple does means there is no competition for mcdo, no burgerking/wendies etc :)



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Nautilus on 14 August 2020
kirby007 said:
Nautilus said:

IOS is their product... it would be the same as saying MCDonalds has a monopoly on MCDonalds and they should "open up"

WRONG if we were to translate your example with what apple does means there is no competition for mcdo, no burgerking/wendies etc :)

Then what is the android? or any of the other phone companies? Are they not competition?



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kirby007 on 14 August 2020
Nautilus said:
kirby007 said:

WRONG if we were to translate your example with what apple does means there is no competition for mcdo, no burgerking/wendies etc :)

Then what is the android? or any of the other phone companies? Are they not competition?

how the hell can android be competition on ios



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kirby007 on 14 August 2020
Ka-pi96 said:
kirby007 said:

Apple has a monopoly on ios no matter how you feel about that. And thats the case epic makes, apple has a forced monopoly on ios while google has a natural on android because the smartphone manufacturers can add their own store like samsung and wahway


Sony have a monopoly on PlayStation, Valve have a monopoly on Steam and 7/11 have a monopoly on 7/11.

but does valve have a monopoly on PC?



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kirby007 on 14 August 2020

its not about competing with IOS/android is about competing with the store and payment systems on these platforms
this is why consoles in the current format will not stay. microsoft knows this why the hell would they be so gamepass oriented, sony is going there with psnow, ps6/XS2 will have multiple stores



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Nautilus on 14 August 2020
kirby007 said:
Nautilus said:

Then what is the android? or any of the other phone companies? Are they not competition?

how the hell can android be competition on ios

What ddo you mean how?

They are both operating systems for mobile devices. By definition they are competing among themselves.People don't buy the phones and then select the OS. They buy the phone and OS together, knowingly.



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

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kirby007 on 14 August 2020
Nautilus said:
kirby007 said:

how the hell can android be competition on ios

What ddo you mean how?

They are both operating systems for mobile devices. By definition they are competing among themselves.People don't buy the phones and then select the OS. They buy the phone and OS together, knowingly.

but the APP STORE is an app
there could be an EPIC STORE/STEAM/UPLAY/XCLOUD APP if the payment systems weren't blocked by the OS developers

there is a difference between the OS and the fucking APP
THE APP STORE HAS A MONOPOLY ON IOS



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theRepublic on 14 August 2020
kirby007 said:
Nautilus said:

Then what is the android? or any of the other phone companies? Are they not competition?

how the hell can android be competition on ios

There is absolutely zero chance a court is going to look at iOS as its own market.  They will be looking at the smartphone market as a whole, which will include both iOS and Android operating systems.  In the US, they really are not too far off from about 50% each.  No one has a dominant 80 or 90% plus of the market. 



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Nautilus on 14 August 2020
kirby007 said:
Nautilus said:

What ddo you mean how?

They are both operating systems for mobile devices. By definition they are competing among themselves.People don't buy the phones and then select the OS. They buy the phone and OS together, knowingly.

but the APP STORE is an app
there could be an EPIC STORE/STEAM/UPLAY/XCLOUD APP if the payment systems weren't blocked by the OS developers

there is a difference between the OS and the fucking APP
THE APP STORE HAS A MONOPOLY ON IOS

There is no difference, and that what is what is not entering in your mind. The app belongs to the IOs. It's not the IOs and the App Store. It's only the IOs.

That's what you dont get. Apple owns everything inside and Apple product, because the App Store is a private property, not a public place.



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1