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At the end of the day, I think we'd get more nudity in games if the US was more accepting of such. And, the US is becoming more accepting, so I think we will see more nudity in games over the next couple of decades. But, in order to get a big AAA budget, the game isn't going to be able just sell sex or violence. It's going to have to be in an established genre that sells something more than those gimmicks. So, my guess is that an NSFW game with a AAA budget would just be GTA with more tits and ass. And, that's fine with me.



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Farsala said:
Conina said:
Subverse got ~2 million dollars on Kickstarter... does that count?

Nope, that is only $2m+. Just imagine Subverse with $120m dev budget, and another $120m marketing :P.

Just imagine a porn movie with $120m dev budget, and another $120m marketing.

According to Google, there only exists one with a budget bigger than 1.5 million dollars.

They also list "Caligula" with 17.5 million, but that's a normal history movie with some very bad orgy scenes.



Those prerendered "games" in the intros of porn videos on Pornhub...so I've heard.



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VAMatt said:

At the end of the day, I think we'd get more nudity in games if the US was more accepting of such. And, the US is becoming more accepting, so I think we will see more nudity in games over the next couple of decades. But, in order to get a big AAA budget, the game isn't going to be able just sell sex or violence. It's going to have to be in an established genre that sells something more than those gimmicks. So, my guess is that an NSFW game with a AAA budget would just be GTA with more tits and ass. And, that's fine with me.

I had a concept for a story about a lone teen guy in a futuristic city inhabited solely by hot women fighters (think Asuka or Hitomi). Imagine a fighting oriented open world RPG with polished fighting game mechanics but a party of four fighting simultaneously. Then add DOAX3-esque features with the caveat that the girls (and the guy too) could strip down and engage in sexual shenanigans, all with the visual quality straight out of a flagship next gen Final Fantasy title, as well as getting actually stripped down to nothing in a battle, then the caveat that the game features graphic torture scenes and the like and welp, you have your game. 

SJWs would definitely throw the fit of the century though. Also, confined to PC, if there was ever any doubt. 



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NightlyPoe said:
VAMatt said:

At the end of the day, I think we'd get more nudity in games if the US was more accepting of such. And, the US is becoming more accepting, so I think we will see more nudity in games over the next couple of decades.

What's led you to the conclusion that the United States has become more accepting of nudity?  It's been my observation that the culture has actually gotten significantly less accepting of showing skin over the last decade, particularly about objectifying women's bodies.

See the Black Queen mini-controversy from Battletoads (or is that British?) for the general cultural trajectory in a nutshell.  In the 1990s, she was a palette-swapped vintage Emma Frost.  Today, she's what you'd see on the Disney Channel by people who think that Shego from Kim Possible was problematic.

I agree that objectification of women is not as acceptable today as it was in times past.  But, that's not the same as sex.  Stuff is regularly shown on network TV today that would have been controversial on premium cable stations a couple decades ago.  

In other words, I think you're conflating the issues.  



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NightlyPoe said:
VAMatt said:

I agree that objectification of women is not as acceptable today as it was in times past.  But, that's not the same as sex.  Stuff is regularly shown on network TV today that would have been controversial on premium cable stations a couple decades ago.  

In other words, I think you're conflating the issues.  

Is it?  I'll cop to not watching much network TV anymore, but when I was growing up in the 90s, NYPD Blue was showing naked people in sexual situations rather frequently.  Side boob and butts weren't unheard of in several other shows.  Even a few full breast shots made it into TV movies and medical shows like ER.

By the time I stopped watching ten years ago, that sort of thing had more or less disappeared and edgy shows like WWE seriously toned down their content.

And it's really not just television.  I mean, nudity isn't gone from movies, but it feels like it's a lot less frequent.  I don't see nearly as many teen sex romps like Porky's or American Pie out these days.  Nudity seems more relegated to the R rating when it used to be in mainstream PG-13 movies more often (Titanic being an obvious example).  Other mediums like comics seem afraid to go there as often as they used to be.

Heck, even Playboy outright got out of the nudity business for awhile.

I had a theory awhile back that as the internet got ubiquitous and all the *ahem* adult content that came with it became easy to access, that nudity largely lost its appeal among consumers and the boost in ratings and ticket sales wasn't as strong as it used to be.  Not enough to overcome the squeamishness of advertisers anyway.

You make good points, and you have me second guessing.  I'll try to pay attention to this stuff for a while and reevaluate.  



I’ve perused a few English adult games (as I like nudity and sex a lot), and I really don’t like what I see.

1. It seems like 90% of the recent adventure games are incest or faux incest which basically smears shit on the game.
2. Anime style art is really bad compared to some of the other art.
3. Otherwise, REALLY poor design: that is they have really random losing conditions (Date Ariane style games).

While these are the popular categories for adult games, I can’t see any of these going mainstream. None of these things will make for a popular game in Western countries (except Southern US where incest is very popular, and I am not just exaggerating either, look up Crusader Kings 2 YouTube videos, in the Southern US it is known as “incest simulator”) where much of the money is going to be.

In order to be mainstream, it will probably be mostly open world dating simulator. The main character will have a lot of freedom. I can see multiple jobs, a University campus with frat houses and sororities, things like shopping malls, cinemas, and make out parks, that sort of thing. There will likely be VERY heavy romantic writing. And I am not sure it would be so much like The Witcher or Xenoblade, but maybe more like Breath of the Wild where the character can go all over the place and have a lot of options. Also, a Breath of the Wild style open world would’ve heavily expandable, which means new chapters and options for purchasing from a variety of expansions, and new free content with each update can be a thing. While people complain about Paradox Games’s style of updates in theory, in practice it worked extraordinarily well for multiple games: essentially, free content, and then a few other things you can get by purchasing the premium - or you can get it on sale later for like 80% off.

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NightlyPoe said:
VAMatt said:

I agree that objectification of women is not as acceptable today as it was in times past.  But, that's not the same as sex.  Stuff is regularly shown on network TV today that would have been controversial on premium cable stations a couple decades ago.  

In other words, I think you're conflating the issues.  

Is it?  I'll cop to not watching much network TV anymore, but when I was growing up in the 90s, NYPD Blue was showing naked people in sexual situations rather frequently.  Side boob and butts weren't unheard of in several other shows.  Even a few full breast shots made it into TV movies and medical shows like ER.

By the time I stopped watching ten years ago, that sort of thing had more or less disappeared and edgy shows like WWE seriously toned down their content.

And it's really not just television.  I mean, nudity isn't gone from movies, but it feels like it's a lot less frequent.  I don't see nearly as many teen sex romps like Porky's or American Pie out these days.  Nudity seems more relegated to the R rating when it used to be in mainstream PG-13 movies more often (Titanic being an obvious example).  Other mediums like comics seem afraid to go there as often as they used to be.

Heck, even Playboy outright got out of the nudity business for awhile.

I had a theory awhile back that as the internet got ubiquitous and all the *ahem* adult content that came with it became easy to access, that nudity largely lost its appeal among consumers and the boost in ratings and ticket sales wasn't as strong as it used to be.  Not enough to overcome the squeamishness of advertisers anyway.

I thought pretty much the opposite. Spartacus, Game of Thrones, Californication, True Blood, Orange is the New Black, Westworld, Carnival Row, The Witcher, Altered Carbon, Outlander, American Gods are all American/English shows that have quite a fair amount of nudity, lots of full frontal, and sex scenes.

In the UK, even game shows like 8 out of 10 Cats Does Countdown has bits with full frontal nudity.

My understanding is TV has become increasingly more liberal with nudity in the English world since a highly conservative period in the 1980s and 90s.

Last edited by Jumpin - on 06 August 2020

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A large sandbox game with levels of sex, violence and other NSFW contents selectable by users, well, more broadly it should let the user build in total (as much as allowed by current tech) freedom their virtual lives and world. Western intelligence agencies could fund it and let it spread in countries with heavy limitations of citizens freedom, to help those citizens imagine a more free life and possibly increase their pressure on their governments (obviously it would be just a minor contribution, but some governments, particularly theocracies and other very bigot authoritarian regimes would react very harshly to it, unintentionally increasing its impact).



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