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Should schools reopen?

Yes 9 13.04%
 
Yes but blended model 12 17.39%
 
No 48 69.57%
 
Total:69

Class....Class.....SHUT UP !!!....says Sister Mary Elephant.



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Fuck no. It's among the worst possible ideas one could have. School should be online only. If lower-income families need help for devices/internet, give it to them. It's simple!



Got to say I’m with NightlyPoe on this one. Education over the internet is not effective, and children are damaged more by not going to school and having their much needed regularity than they are at risk from this virus. Also, there’s opening schools and “opening schools”. You don’t have to reopen schools and have it be the free-for-all madhouse it usually is. It is possible to regulate where which children are when, have teachers keep their distance and do a little crowd control if you are creative. That’s how they did it here anyway.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAxeA9eiB9g

I think this video says it all.



vivster said:
Dulfite said:
So many conflicting thoughts. Education is important. Safety is important. Herd immunity is important. Freedom is important. Every other cause of death, many with far higher death rates, that we overlook are important. We can't have it all.

Nothing conflicting here. Easy solutions for everything.

1. Education is not as important as human lives and can be done safely from home. Solved.

2. Safety is important, which is why everyone should stay at home. Solved.

3. Herd immunity doesn't happen through random contagion. It's not gonna be a thing before a vaccine exists. Solved.

4. People are given the freedom to not die by staying at home. Some freedoms are more important than others. Solved.

5. There currently is no other single cause of death with a higher death rate. Which is why we tackle this one with priority. Solved.

Life is always about compromise, the current time we live in is no exception. There is no absolute freedom for everyone and there never will be. As soon as people get that into their thick skulls we will all live better lives.

1. There have been many people, including one of the largest school districts in the nation, that have reported how online learning failed. I was a teacher until last school year and I've got plenty of teacher friends. Many students use it as an excuse to not do work, and I've got teachers I know that are working 10 hour days basically pleading with their students to do their work. This is not sustainable.

2. Safety is most important, I agree, even if education is lost.

3. Why not? There are tons of illnesses throughout history that herd immunity developed. And the "projections" on when we will get a vaccine (and if that will even be impactful again a virus that will probably have mutated by then) are not encouraging.

4. For how long? It's already been like half a year for the hardcore stay at homers. Now we are looking at a second shutdown. How many more semesters, or potentially years? Are we going to do this for literally every widespread virus going forward (which come like every 2 years, H1N1 gen. 2 is on its way already)? Is half of our lives going to be spent in our homes? People will go stir crazy. People, like me with anxiety disorders, will and are really hurting from that kind of isolation. I'm sure suicide rates are quite high. People need physical, in person, out of the house interactions and activities. If it's not for long that's one thing, but half of a year or more is really hard for those of us with high stress levels.

5. Uh, what? There are tons and tons of people that have gotten this thing, many with no symptoms (and therefore no way to really report it). The data doesn't reflect those people, skewing it to make it look like there is a higher death rate. Most people that get it seem to be asymptomatic or close to it.



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Virtual class rooms are just the way to go. It's the compromise and the best option. Issues like "They won't be able to socialize as well" or "They will fall behind" are not the priority here. This is an actual life/death situation that has a threshold for getting worse over time the less people listen to reason. It really sucks for a lot of reasons and a lot of people, but this is the situation. This virus is already set to be a leading cause of death in the US. And right now we're in a much better spot than we could be once winter comes around. "Winter is coming" now seems more relevant than ever. Side bad joke: This is GoT Season 8's revenge >.



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Don't know much about the US, but here in Japan they've already re-opened.

And I've gotta say I'm glad they have. I'm a teacher too and teaching online only sucked big time! I'm glad that things are a bit more normal than they were before. There are still all kinds of extra regulations and what not, but I'm still glad to be back.

I know the rate of infection has massively increased here again since re-opening, but IIRC that's mostly linked to nightlife stuff so wasn't really caused be schools re-opening.



Hiku said:
No.
Teach from a distance over Zoom.

Teaching over zoom is shit though!

Older kids can be ok if they want to learn (or are being watched by their parents), but teaching younger kids via zoom just isn't good.

Even for the older ones I imagine it would be a pain in the ass for larger classes. The most I've taught via zoom is 10 kids at once so far and that was far from ideal. Zoom prioritises the person that was making noice most recently (until they stop making noise), drowning out everybody else. And with a lot of kids there's a LOT of background noise. It makes it hard to hear anybody or effectively teach.



NightlyPoe said:
vivster said:

Nothing conflicting here. Easy solutions for everything.

1. Education is not as important as human lives and can be done safely from home. Solved.

2. Safety is important, which is why everyone should stay at home. Solved.

3. Herd immunity doesn't happen through random contagion. It's not gonna be a thing before a vaccine exists. Solved.

4. People are given the freedom to not die by staying at home. Some freedoms are more important than others. Solved.

5. There currently is no other single cause of death with a higher death rate. Which is why we tackle this one with priority. Solved.

Life is always about compromise, the current time we live in is no exception. There is no absolute freedom for everyone and there never will be. As soon as people get that into their thick skulls we will all live better lives.

That sounds more simplistic than solved.  And it does not take into account at all the problems that will accrue from not educating children properly until there's a vaccine, or the relative safety that young children have from the virus.

It doesn't sound like you want to compromise at all actually.

 

It sounds simplistic because it is simple. Priorities exist, for example dead kid worse than kid who had to repeat a grade. Those things are not equal and they should not be treated as equal options.

You're also forgetting that it's the teachers that are most at risk here. You know what's bad for education? Having a bunch of dead teachers that didn't need to die. Sacrificing human lives so that children don't have to slightly adjust their learning schedule sounds like a pretty despicable thing to say.



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Ka-pi96 said:
Don't know much about the US, but here in Japan they've already re-opened.

And I've gotta say I'm glad they have. I'm a teacher too and teaching online only sucked big time! I'm glad that things are a bit more normal than they were before. There are still all kinds of extra regulations and what not, but I'm still glad to be back.

I know the rate of infection has massively increased here again since re-opening, but IIRC that's mostly linked to nightlife stuff so wasn't really caused be schools re-opening.

Not surprising to me that Japan has reopened things. I tried to compare the cases and deaths per capita in the two countries and Japan wasn't even on the same scale because the total is almost two orders of magnitude less in cases and deaths than in the US. If the US was in the same place Japan is I'd be pretty comfortable opening schools too. 



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