Well, who knows. Maybe SOD3 will turn out great, it's just that we can't really say. All we have is their current track record and it isn't very good. The thing is that we can't really predict anything from what we've seen so far. Can Playground make a RPG to rival the Witcher? I dunno, if Polyphony was making it, I would also have my doubts until I'd see some tangible gameplay footage. Will Avow be the next Skyrim, or is it something like Outer Worlds in a medieval setting? Its just a lot of question marks. 

I have nothing against the Xbox brand, it's just that I'm a lot more skeptical than you based on MS's historical track-record of poor decision making. I was a real 360 guy before they went all crazy on us with Kinect. I didn't sulk about it. I was just disappointed, sold my 360 and stuck with Sony and pc ever since. When they announced Series X I was super excited about the specs alone. All they had to do to win me back over is show me 1 AAA exclusive that shows what the thing can do. Unfortunately, it just don't seem they can. Not because it isn't an amazing piece of kit or that MS's studios suck, its because they are again looking past the core console market, because its not a big enough market for them.

Imo if MS would go full 3rd party, nothing would be affected. They would be rolling out the exact same games we'll be getting now, games designed to scale up and down a family of devices so we can all play them. The reason why I wouldn't want Sony to do it is because they are doing a traditional hard reset. If Sony is so excited about their SSD tech, I want to see them make ps5 games that take full advantage of it, and clearly show why they couldn't run on lesser hardware, let alone the ps4. 

I do agree that Sony hasn't quite done that yet, but that's mostly because they didn't show a lot of gameplay footage. However, I am 100% sure that they will when we'll get a full gameplay reveal of HZW, Spider Man and we'll hopefully see GOW2 in August. Maybe that sound extremely biased but that is only because Sony has earned my trust by consistently delivering quality stuff.

71 is not a bad score and the game the "being the lowest rated Sony exclusive" have no value here since it's still the most fitted games to compare to SOD and it also a good game and well appreciated from fans. Also Bend Studio is twice the size of Undead labs, so if undead labs can produce a game that is better received by critics it's still something. 

That doesn't exactly sound like a vote of confidence in that AAA game: Many AAA were shown at the show, SOD3 ain't one of them. you can't produce AAA title with ~60 employees.

If MS making $6 of off me for using GP feels like a moral victory to you, then have at it. A single subscription certainly does not constitute a victory, but you seems to thinl you're alone in this situation. There's more likely hundreds of thousands (and I'm one of them too) in the same situation and this certainly constitute a victory. 

How would you feel if MS went full 3rd party? For me it would feel like a loss of an essential competition nothing more. And by the way it would also made a lot of sense for Sony and Nintendo to go that route financially but this has close to 0 chance of happening in the near future. I would be happy though as gamers would end winning a lot. 

Wow. We are back to waiting. I know your upset at runa and fell insulted but he is right. There seems no limited amount of beating You are willing to take for You to stop defending this company. You are now claiming that after all theese years of disappointment and overpromising we still need 2 more years of waiting. Because 7 was not enough. And I would argue 10 becasue the end of the 360 was absolute trash in my opinion.

The worst part is that no one is telling xbox fans to stop buying the product and enjoy it and suport and all that. Just demand from MS not to be treated like trash and maybe they will listen. As things stand now they know there is not limit to the punishment fans will take.

Ninja Theory has around 90 staff and the Initiative has 44 employees. People are still expecting AAA and AAAA games them, right?

The GP business model obviously wouldn't work if they started putting $200m games like Gears 5 on there and people cancel the $1 trial subscription right after they finished the game. They need content that is low risk, fast output and gets people engaged with the service. Think of it as a tv series vs a single AAA blockbuster movie.

That's not optimism, that's delusion. Back when the Xbox One came out and they promised a rejuvenated life cycle after the twilight years of the 360 were barren, THAT's optimism. "Yeah, they did it before, they can do it again!" THAT is optimism. This? 7 years later and STILL no fulfillment on promises? 7 years later and they're still touting 'the most powerful console' yet having nothing to show for it? 7 years later and they STILL haven't been able to launch a new IP or get good games with all the companies they own? 7 years later and we STILL don't have Scalebound? 7 years later and they're STILL Suffering a drought of high quality, high-profile games? 7 years later and they STILL can't bring old franchises back to their glory days?

You're not a fan or a fanatic or a fanboy, you're an abused spouse who won't leave because you've got it in your head this is the only way. Microsoft keeps hurting you and you keep coming back despite all your friends telling you he's abusive. Hell, you even know they're abusive but you have faith they'll get better despite all the evidence pointing to the contrary. Despite all the lies and failures, you still trust them. 

I don't even wanna argue with you anymore. I just feel sorry for you. Especially since it seems even you agree that them going third party would be best for everyone. You said their "PC strategy" is genius. You love Microsoft studios and gamepass, not Xbox. 

MY argument has always been that this presentation and everything in the last 7 years has not led up to having ANY reason to buy an Xbox. You concede that the value is in GamePass and playing the games on PC and have done little to nothing to say the Xbox Itself is a good deal. You're still arguing, even though all your points seem to agree with me. You agree that Microsoft is better not as a console manufacturer but as a game developer, yet you're still getting every jab in that you can any time I criticize the company. You defend Microsoft and the Xbox yet...upon reflection, don't even seem to have faith in the console even after all the nonsense. You're arguing for the console while cheekily avoiding actually making any points about the quality of the console itself.

I guess...when it's all said and done, you accept the Xbox is a lost cause and that Microsoft should focus on making games. 

I think we're done here. 

~Banned.

Well, Killzone 2 and WATCH_DOGS were still totally different situations. WATCH_DOGS truly did get a downgrade later on (meaning they showed it being played, and then the next bits continued to get visually worse and worse). It also doesn't apply to Halo because this is the first time we've actually seen it being played (even though the footage of Chief and that guy talking was running on the engine, but just speaking on like-for-like situations). 

In truth, there aren't that many situations where games have seen considerable downgrades (there are actually only a handful and usually come from Ubisoft :P). Displaying a target render (usually involving offline prerendered footage) and showing true engine/gameplay (followed up with a considerable quality degradation) are usually lumped together as one entity. I know the average gamer does't know the difference (and it is on the dev either way), but that distinction is necessary in a discussion like this.

I think the bold sumirises your post 100%. This only seems interestingng if your already into the Holy Trinity and after the period expires we have mothing to go on as we saw nothing. I really dont any need to purchase a series x for the forseable future.