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JRPGfan on 07 July 2020
curl-6 said:
JRPGfan said:

tell you what, if you find out that the PS4 has like 500-1000 mobile games,
go ahead and post a spreadsheet doc, listing all the games, like i just did above.

Has someone actually documented the number of shovelware games on PS4 though?

If there's no such list, that is not evidence that shovelware isn't abundant on PS4, simply that nobody has sat down and counted it. 

Clearly there's no shortage of it.

Successful systems always get a ton of shovelware, Switch isn't at all unique in this regard.

But just as clearly, the fact that you hear nintendo fans complain about it, and actually sit down and count, how many mobile games their system has.... also says something? right?

Which you ignore by way of going "all systems has it", while ignoreing the fact that the Switch obviously as much more of it (hence the fan backlash and people makeing lists counting the amount of mobile games their system has gotten).


To be fair, I did try and google information about amounts of shovelware, on PS4, and about mobile games on PS4.
You know what I found? nothing.  Obviously this doesnt mean the PS4 doesnt have some amount of shovelware, or perphaps mobile games.
However the vast majority dont care, likely because its a tiny amount.

The same obviously isnt true for the Switch.

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Somini on 07 July 2020

95% or even higher of these numbers is trash anyway. Quality is what matters.



curl-6 on 07 July 2020
JRPGfan said:
curl-6 said:

Has someone actually documented the number of shovelware games on PS4 though?

If there's no such list, that is not evidence that shovelware isn't abundant on PS4, simply that nobody has sat down and counted it. 

Clearly there's no shortage of it.

Successful systems always get a ton of shovelware, Switch isn't at all unique in this regard.

But just as clearly, the fact that you hear nintendo fans complain about it, and actually sit down and count, how many mobile games their system has.... also says something? right?

Which you ignore by way of going "all systems has it", while ignoreing the fact that the Switch obviously as much more of it (hence the fan backlash and people makeing lists counting the amount of mobile games their system has gotten).


To be fair, I did try and google information about amounts of shovelware, on PS4, and about mobile games on PS4.
You know what I found? nothing.  Obviously this doesnt mean the PS4 doesnt have some amount of shovelware, or perphaps mobile games.
However the vast majority dont care, likely because its a tiny amount.

The same obviously isnt true for the Switch.

We cannot conclude that the Switch has more of it without quantifying the amount on PS4.

The fact that there's more coverage of it on Switch isn't proof there's significantly more (much less 10 or 100 times more as you suggested) just that more effort has been put into documenting it there.



Conina on 08 July 2020
curl-6 said:

We cannot conclude that the Switch has more of it without quantifying the amount on PS4.

The fact that there's more coverage of it on Switch isn't proof there's significantly more (much less 10 or 100 times more as you suggested) just that more effort has been put into documenting it there.

Well, the Switch has a lot more games under $5 than PS4... these low prices are indicators of mobile ports / shovelware... not 10 or 100 times more, but probably 2 - 3 times more:



LivingMetal on 08 July 2020

Nintendo = Software
Microsoft = Hardware. Well, kind of... Sort of. Actually... Not really at that.

Doesn't matter. Nintendo wins.



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curl-6 on 08 July 2020
Conina said:
curl-6 said:

We cannot conclude that the Switch has more of it without quantifying the amount on PS4.

The fact that there's more coverage of it on Switch isn't proof there's significantly more (much less 10 or 100 times more as you suggested) just that more effort has been put into documenting it there.

Well, the Switch has a lot more games under $5 than PS4... these low prices are indicators of mobile ports / shovelware... not 10 or 100 times more, but probably 2 - 3 times more:

Switch almost certainly has more mobile ports, yes, but a mobile port isn't necessarily a bad game, and a lot of the really terrible games on the PS Store that Jim highlighted in his video were made that much more offensive for costing $10 or more. 



kazuyamishima on 08 July 2020

The switch is a huge success, that’s no doubt. And it’s basically because of its design (hybrid) and most importantly, it’s first party software, which carries more than 50-60% of software sales.

But third party sales for most games are low, do the switch have any third party game (excluding mobile ports and free games) that crossed the 5 million mark aside of maybe Minecraft and possible just dance.