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Otter said:
The_Liquid_Laser said:

It's actually one of the few objective measures.  Hardware sales, software sales, and number of titles in a library are objective measures.  Review scores are not so objective, because people can tamper with those.  Review scores get inflated by critics and then review bombed by users.  But number of titles?  What you see is what you get.

PS vita had more games then the 3DS and the Dreamcast more than the N64. Sheer number of games is of course and interesting metric to look at but it doesnt really tell you much. As a consumer it's not valuable. 

There are actually more 3DS games than Vita games.    The entries in wikipedia are misleading, because they only include physical games for 3DS but they include both physical and digital for Vita.  Wikipedia used to indicate which vita games where digital only, and you can see it from the internet archive.  (Link to IA is screwing up my post formatting, but I will post it if anyone wants it.)

There are actually 865 physical Vita games from that archived list.  Since then Wikipedia has added 71 more games.  Even if all of those were physical it would still only have 936 games.  Meanwhile the 3DS has 1337 games.  3DS has significantly more games.

Having a huge library of games is a huge advantage.  More games leads to more hits.  The PS1 is the system that proved this.  There is another thread made recently about how the N64 is the least trashy system.  It has the smallest amount of shovelware.  It was stomped on by the PS1.  The PS1 was full of shovelware.  PS1 had 3070 games and most of them are crap.  N64 had 388 games with very little shovelware.  But it's not the shovelware that counts.  More games means more hits.  Take the top 10% of N64 games and that is 39 games.  Take the top 10% of PS1 games and that is 307 games.  Just going by that measure PS1 had about 10 times the amount of good games, and that is a more of a measure of what counts.  Hell even if you compare the top 20% of N64 to count it's top 10% of PS1, the PS1 still had a ton of more good games on it.  PS1 simply had more good games.  It had more good games, because Sony just let everything onto their system.  Even if only 10% are really good, that still leads to more good games.

Having the biggest library of games is a massive advantage.  Good games are what matter.  However the most effective way for a system to get good games is just to get a lot of games.  A lot of them will be shovelware, but some will be really good.  Gamers mostly just want to play the good ones anyway.  We are used to looking over a sea of stuff we aren't interested in to find the gems.  But the most effective way for a system to get good games is simply to have a lot of games.  That's why having largest library is a big advantage.

Last edited by The_Liquid_Laser - on 06 July 2020

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JRPGfan said:
curl-6 said:

For those talking quality standards, it's not like bad games are a Switch exclusive commodity.

life of a black tiger.

the unknown city : horror begins Now

I think the opinion is there is vastly more of it on the Switch, than the PS4.
Basically take every game of that level on the PS4, and theres like 10 or 100 times that amount on the Switch.

Is that actually true though, or is it just an assumption?

If the PS Store will let in games like Life of Black Tiger and The Unknown City, I'm sure its teeming with shovelware, just like every successful system ever.



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curl-6 said:
JRPGfan said:

I think the opinion is there is vastly more of it on the Switch, than the PS4.
Basically take every game of that level on the PS4, and theres like 10 or 100 times that amount on the Switch.

Is that actually true though, or is it just an assumption?

If the PS Store will let in games like Life of Black Tiger and The Unknown City, I'm sure its teeming with shovelware, just like every successful system ever.

I havnt looked, personally. However the concensus is its true on forums (neogaf mainly).
The nintendo fans are quick to say "its like that on every system", and its true, every system has shovelware.
However skipping past the degree or amount, of which there are of such on the system.

Switch likely has more than most, but its just ignored.
I remember seeing a thread, that talked about how many mobile (phone) games the Switch actually got.
Supposedly back in 2019, there was over 500 of them on it (according to the thread).  I'm 100% sure the same isn't true for the PS4.



JRPGfan said:
curl-6 said:

Is that actually true though, or is it just an assumption?

If the PS Store will let in games like Life of Black Tiger and The Unknown City, I'm sure its teeming with shovelware, just like every successful system ever.

I havnt looked, personally. However the concensus is its true on forums.
The nintendo fans are quick to say "its like that on every system", and its true, every system has shovelware.
However skipping past the degree or amount, of which there are of such on the system.

I'm skeptical that a storefront that allowed Life of Black Tiger has significantly higher quality control standards than the eshop.



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curl-6 said:
JRPGfan said:

I havnt looked, personally. However the concensus is its true on forums.
The nintendo fans are quick to say "its like that on every system", and its true, every system has shovelware.
However skipping past the degree or amount, of which there are of such on the system.

I'm skeptical that a storefront that allowed Life of Black Tiger has significantly higher quality control standards than the eshop.

They are equally bad at quality controll.
However that doesnt mean, they both have equal amounts of it.

Like I mentioned before, that thread about 500+ mobile games on the Switch.
I think part of it might be its arm based cpu, which alot of phones use.
So its easier to get a phone game running on the switch, than say a xbox one or ps4.



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JRPGfan said:
curl-6 said:

I'm skeptical that a storefront that allowed Life of Black Tiger has significantly higher quality control standards than the eshop.

They are equally bad at quality controll.
However that doesnt mean, they both have equal amounts of it.

I'm still not seeing any actual quantification here, just "people on forums say x". People on forums say a lot of things. They spend all last gen saying there were no good games on Wii yet that was false.



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curl-6 said:
JRPGfan said:

They are equally bad at quality controll.
However that doesnt mean, they both have equal amounts of it.

I'm still not seeing any actual quantification here, just "people on forums say x". People on forums say a lot of things. They spend all last gen saying there were no good games on Wii yet that was false.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXGIXBO0lZM

I'll try and find that thread (dont have it bookmarked), that mentions the share amount of mobile games, the Switch was getting.
Like I said, back in 2019, that went past 500+ mobile games, and the thread was about nintendo fans not being happy about it.

Edit:

Here is a thread about the matter (not the one I was talking about though) :
https://www.reddit.com/r/NintendoSwitch/comments/aostds/list_of_mobile_games_ported_to_switch_ver_20_will/

Here is a old spreadsheet document, that lists every mobile game the Nintendo Switch had like 1+ years ago:
There is 450 games on it.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Lk6FMOOsJZh3aAuOyLgYanr9Y4hWqtiY1IPokbcaNss/edit#gid=0



JRPGfan said:
curl-6 said:

I'm still not seeing any actual quantification here, just "people on forums say x". People on forums say a lot of things. They spend all last gen saying there were no good games on Wii yet that was false.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXGIXBO0lZM

I'll try and find that thread (dont have it bookmarked), that mentions the share amount of mobile games, the Switch was getting.
Like I said, back in 2019, that went past 500+ mobile games, and the thread was about nintendo fans not being happy about it.

Are you also going to provide a list of PS4 shovelware?



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curl-6 said:
JRPGfan said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXGIXBO0lZM

I'll try and find that thread (dont have it bookmarked), that mentions the share amount of mobile games, the Switch was getting.
Like I said, back in 2019, that went past 500+ mobile games, and the thread was about nintendo fans not being happy about it.

Are you also going to provide a list of PS4 shovelware?

tell you what, if you find out that the PS4 has like 500-1000 mobile games,
go ahead and post a spreadsheet doc, listing all the games, like i just did above.



JRPGfan said:
curl-6 said:

Are you also going to provide a list of PS4 shovelware?

tell you what, if you find out that the PS4 has like 500-1000 mobile games,
go ahead and post a spreadsheet doc, listing all the games, like i just did above.

Has someone actually documented the number of shovelware games on PS4 though?

If there's no such list, that is not evidence that shovelware isn't abundant on PS4, simply that nobody has sat down and counted it. 

Clearly there's no shortage of it.

Successful systems always get a ton of shovelware, Switch isn't at all unique in this regard.

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