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Have politics damaged the quality of ND games

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Yes 54 58.06%
 
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GoldenHand80 said:

The game is heavily based on story and the story in that game sucks, it is just a cringe show from start to finish. Neil is trying so hard to make his games controversial but his attempts just backfired at him and naughty dog. He is an extremely hypocritical person, preaching for diversity and social equality then he fires one of the most talented female writers and creative directors in the industry, Amy Hennig. Then he went on to make a spin off of uncharted about a lesbian couple. Then, what a surprise,  he made this garbage of a game the last of us part 2 again about a lesbian couple and a woman that looks and behaves like a man except when she is with Owen and about a transgender who wants to find a place where they accept him. He clearly doesn't care about equality and social equality, he just enjoys watching women kissing each other when doing motion capture, I bet that he asked them to repeat that scene several times with excuse that it can be improved.

You should consider refraining yourself from writing any of this crap until you can do so in a factual manner.



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John2290 said:
Zoombael said:

Although folk that defends deceptive advertisment (amongst other tactics of manipulation), influencing and censoring reviews, the hypocrisy of the ones responsible and condoning gagging voices critical of such practices and the game come off as a little... fascist.

Joke?

Complete sentences?

When i write "a little fascist" i mean "a little fascist", not real fascism and national socialism, no fascist governmental apperatus. What i was actually refering to you ask...

When the NSDAP came to power they started Nazification, or the historically descriptive term, "Gleichschaltung". Translations i found include "enforced (political) conformity". Close enough.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gleichschaltung

Naturally, that included the arts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_in_Nazi_Germany

The problem isn't when the individual artist chooses to cover socialpolitical 'n stuff. The moment when guidelines and standards are enacted by companies and institutions interfering with the mechanisms of an industry, when an entire art form and the creative process is crippled to meet ideological ideals and anyone and anything to step out of line is being chastised and demonized, that's the point where it gets "a little fascist".

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2018-02-20-kingdom-come-deliverance-review

The Last Of US pt. II Good game.

The Last Of Us Bad game.

https://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/14/arts/video-games/in-the-video-game-the-last-of-us-survival-favors-the-man.html?_r=0%7C

https://www.sciencespo.fr/en/news/news/%E2%80%9Cpropaganda-is-the-foundation-of-liberal-democracy%E2%80%9D/3992?fbclid=IwAR1qvzO55vyKB41IKa_DPWyVFW1y_XarwfcabJqCbPi7ELJjtvcraxD2gxY



Hunting Season is done...

GoldenHand80 said:

The game is heavily based on story and the story in that game sucks, it is just a cringe show from start to finish. Neil is trying so hard to make his games controversial but his attempts just backfired at him and naughty dog. He is an extremely hypocritical person, preaching for diversity and social equality then he fires one of the most talented female writers and creative directors in the industry, Amy Hennig. Then he went on to make a spin off of uncharted about a lesbian couple. Then, what a surprise,  he made this garbage of a game the last of us part 2 again about a lesbian couple and a woman that looks and behaves like a man except when she is with Owen and about a transgender who wants to find a place where they accept him. He clearly doesn't care about equality and social equality, he just enjoys watching women kissing each other when doing motion capture, I bet that he asked them to repeat that scene several times with excuse that it can be improved.

So profound, this review should be added to the games metacritic.



GoldenHand80 said:

The game is heavily based on story and the story in that game sucks, it is just a cringe show from start to finish. Neil is trying so hard to make his games controversial but his attempts just backfired at him and naughty dog. He is an extremely hypocritical person, preaching for diversity and social equality then he fires one of the most talented female writers and creative directors in the industry, Amy Hennig. Then he went on to make a spin off of uncharted about a lesbian couple. Then, what a surprise,  he made this garbage of a game the last of us part 2 again about a lesbian couple and a woman that looks and behaves like a man except when she is with Owen and about a transgender who wants to find a place where they accept him. He clearly doesn't care about equality and social equality, he just enjoys watching women kissing each other when doing motion capture, I bet that he asked them to repeat that scene several times with excuse that it can be improved.

Your comment is the fruit of youtube drama,i do not like the story either but your reasoning is uninformed.

And the story about him and Amy Hennig is not factual,the writer of that story at IGN said he was forced to include that in his article by his piece of shit bosses at that time that got fired some time after for abusing the staff.



Immersiveunreality said:
GoldenHand80 said:

The game is heavily based on story and the story in that game sucks, it is just a cringe show from start to finish. Neil is trying so hard to make his games controversial but his attempts just backfired at him and naughty dog. He is an extremely hypocritical person, preaching for diversity and social equality then he fires one of the most talented female writers and creative directors in the industry, Amy Hennig. Then he went on to make a spin off of uncharted about a lesbian couple. Then, what a surprise,  he made this garbage of a game the last of us part 2 again about a lesbian couple and a woman that looks and behaves like a man except when she is with Owen and about a transgender who wants to find a place where they accept him. He clearly doesn't care about equality and social equality, he just enjoys watching women kissing each other when doing motion capture, I bet that he asked them to repeat that scene several times with excuse that it can be improved.

Your comment is the fruit of youtube drama,i do not like the story either but your reasoning is uninformed.

And the story about him and Amy Hennig is not factual,the writer of that story at IGN said he was forced to include that in his article by his piece of shit bosses at that time that got fired some time after for abusing the staff.

I actually avoided all the leaks and spoilers. Played 12 hours of the game and just couldn't complete it, it is the most uninteresting and boring story and gameplay. The only good thing about it is graphics but just good graphics dont make a game good. I saw all the youtube drama after I played the game and they were not wrong at all and I wish I saw all of that before I played this rolling pile of crap. It is not a good game, it is a product of someone who is ultra obsessed with socio-political crap.

Speaking of Amy Hennig, she actually left or was asked to leave Naughty Dog after being confronted by Neil Druckmann that he doesn't like the the direction of the story of Uncharted 4 because it needs more and stronger female presence. There is nothing wrong in that, there are many great games with female protagonists and characters. But it gets quite annoying when it is so blatantly obvious that your trying to force stuff like that and alter the vision of a writer and/or creative director just for the sake of forcing your views to everyone else. The last good game Naughty Dog made was The last of us. Everything else came after that game was a joke.



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Lonely_Dolphin said:
Kinneas14 said:
I don't mind, as long as the games are good.

Got some bad news for ya mate. xD

Good news! Because every Naughty dog game has been outstanding! 90+ Metacritic since like 2009 or something! Bestsellers, Critically hailed, absolutely loved games by the masses and the critics! 



GoldenHand80 said:

The game is heavily based on story and the story in that game sucks, it is just a cringe show from start to finish. Neil is trying so hard to make his games controversial but his attempts just backfired at him and naughty dog. He is an extremely hypocritical person, preaching for diversity and social equality then he fires one of the most talented female writers and creative directors in the industry, Amy Hennig. Then he went on to make a spin off of uncharted about a lesbian couple. Then, what a surprise,  he made this garbage of a game the last of us part 2 again about a lesbian couple and a woman that looks and behaves like a man except when she is with Owen and about a transgender who wants to find a place where they accept him. He clearly doesn't care about equality and social equality, he just enjoys watching women kissing each other when doing motion capture, I bet that he asked them to repeat that scene several times with excuse that it can be improved.

Yep, totally backfired. 94 Metacritic and 4 million sales its first weekend. I bet he's literally crying into his company's piles of money. 

Seriously? you're so transparent. 



Zoombael said:
John2290 said:

Joke?

Complete sentences?

When i write "a little fascist" i mean "a little fascist", not real fascism and national socialism, no fascist governmental apperatus. What i was actually refering to you ask...

When the NSDAP came to power they started Nazification, or the historically descriptive term, "Gleichschaltung". Translations i found include "enforced (political) conformity". Close enough.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gleichschaltung

Naturally, that included the arts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_in_Nazi_Germany

The problem isn't when the individual artist chooses to cover socialpolitical 'n stuff. The moment when guidelines and standards are enacted by companies and institutions interfering with the mechanisms of an industry, when an entire art form and the creative process is crippled to meet ideological ideals and anyone and anything to step out of line is being chastised and demonized, that's the point where it gets "a little fascist".

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2018-02-20-kingdom-come-deliverance-review

The Last Of US pt. II Good game.

The Last Of Us Bad game.

https://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/14/arts/video-games/in-the-video-game-the-last-of-us-survival-favors-the-man.html?_r=0%7C

https://www.sciencespo.fr/en/news/news/%E2%80%9Cpropaganda-is-the-foundation-of-liberal-democracy%E2%80%9D/3992?fbclid=IwAR1qvzO55vyKB41IKa_DPWyVFW1y_XarwfcabJqCbPi7ELJjtvcraxD2gxY

No, seriously, are you actually making some attempt at satire? Or do you actually believe that absurdity that you’re writing?


Fascism is a far right ultranationalist ideology that advocates for the penalizing (usually in the form of enslavement or extermination) of those who do not fit the traditional cultural and (in the case of Nazis) genetic paradigm of the nation. It is enforced by a totalitarian government which does not tolerate any kind of opposition.

How does The Last of Us support the so-called Totalitarian ultra-nationalist US regime in their goals of eliminating minority viewpoints that aim to subvert the national identity of the US?

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I describe myself as a little dose of toxic masculinity.

GoldenHand80 said:
Immersiveunreality said:

Your comment is the fruit of youtube drama,i do not like the story either but your reasoning is uninformed.

And the story about him and Amy Hennig is not factual,the writer of that story at IGN said he was forced to include that in his article by his piece of shit bosses at that time that got fired some time after for abusing the staff.

I actually avoided all the leaks and spoilers. Played 12 hours of the game and just couldn't complete it, it is the most uninteresting and boring story and gameplay. The only good thing about it is graphics but just good graphics dont make a game good. I saw all the youtube drama after I played the game and they were not wrong at all and I wish I saw all of that before I played this rolling pile of crap. It is not a good game, it is a product of someone who is ultra obsessed with socio-political crap.

Speaking of Amy Hennig, she actually left or was asked to leave Naughty Dog after being confronted by Neil Druckmann that he doesn't like the the direction of the story of Uncharted 4 because it needs more and stronger female presence. There is nothing wrong in that, there are many great games with female protagonists and characters. But it gets quite annoying when it is so blatantly obvious that your trying to force stuff like that and alter the vision of a writer and/or creative director just for the sake of forcing your views to everyone else. The last good game Naughty Dog made was The last of us. Everything else came after that game was a joke.

Bolded:

There is absolutely no proof the product is ''bad'' because he was obsessed with socio political crap,you can make objective comments about the characters structure and the style of writing used for this story but you can only assume the motivation behind them.

Second bolded:

''Update 06/24/2020: Recent details have come to light around this report, originally published March 5, 2014, that required revisiting. After speaking with those involved with the story at the time, IGN has learned that its original reporter was allegedly given explicit instruction to run comments from sources the reporter was told were specifically calling out details around the reasoning behind Amy Hennig’s departure from Naughty Dog. The original reporter was not able to personally verify these accounts. Following the publication of this story, IGN editors made follow-up attempts to confirm or deny the original sources' assertions, but those attempts were ultimately inconclusive. Given these findings, IGN can no longer confidently stand by this reporting, as many of its leaders involved in directing that report are no longer with the company. We have also updated the byline to reflect the multiple voices that contributed to this story at the time. We apologize for the working practices that led to this story's original publication — they do not represent our current approach to news reporting, or any other element of IGN content.'' Quote from Mitch Dyer on twitter who made the article: ''When I reported on Amy leaving Naughty Dog, Steve Butts and Tal Blevins forced gossip into the story. They heard it was a hostile takeover. We didn't want to publish it. I tried to take my name off the story. They would not allow me to do so.'' Links: IGN Mitch Dyer twitter

I'm sorry for the reaction to the second bolded in the comment above but somehow it does not let me create open spaces under the quote.

Last edited by Immersiveunreality - on 18 July 2020