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Have politics damaged the quality of ND games

No 28 39.44%
 
Yes 43 60.56%
 
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DonFerrari said:
EricHiggin said:

If a game is made that doesn't sell well enough, not meeting expectations, maybe due to it's story, was it worth making?

My point is people have expectations in many different ways, and if they aren't met, typically there is some sort of backlash and at times someone or something pays the price. I'm not saying this is the case for TLOU2 either because it's way to early to compare expectations of overall sales vs units sold so far.

When it sold over 4M on the first weekend, but let's wait to see if it meets the spectations. And perhaps people expectation was in the wrong place if they wanted Joel alive. But as you said, only time will tell. For me is enough that I had a blast with the game.

XB1 didn't sell all that bad right off the bat either. Early adoption is no guarantee of long term success.

If anyone who knew anything about the games development thought Joel definitely wouldn't bite the dust, then they definitely missed something.

Good to hear you enjoyed the game. It's a shame that some can't say the same. Maybe the pre launch story leak ruined it for them, who knows?

the-pi-guy said:
EricHiggin said:

The game would end up somewhat different, correct. The question, as Neil likes to ask, is how much would that change things overall? If the story get's to the same point eventually, what does a slightly shorter story or more useful filler story in between really matter?

Let's just say the Joel outcome could have remained the same but happened closer to the end, or could take place in the beginning portion of the third game. That doesn't mean it would be impossible for a similar Joel beating scene to take place, where Abby's group are forced to retreat and finish things later. It could easily be done in a manner that has Ellie go after them anyway. Joel eventually tries to catch up, etc. I'm not going to lay out every possible scenario they could have taken, but I don't think the one they chose was the best by far for the franchise overall. Depends what their ultimate goals are really.

A shorter story could have worked, but they can't make the changes you're suggesting without making an entirely different game.  And at that point, you're more asking for a game between TLOU and TLOU 2, not asking for a fix for TLOU 2. 

Well ya, it would be a smoother transition from TLOU into the most tragic parts of TLOU2. So it would be a slightly different game, but as long as the same core story is told eventually, even into Part III, did it have to be done in the manner that it was? Obviously not. There's more than one way to skin a cat. Now ND chose to do it that way, and that's fine, but I don't think it was the best approach. That doesn't mean it was the worst approach either.



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EricHiggin said:
DonFerrari said:

When it sold over 4M on the first weekend, but let's wait to see if it meets the spectations. And perhaps people expectation was in the wrong place if they wanted Joel alive. But as you said, only time will tell. For me is enough that I had a blast with the game.

XB1 didn't sell all that bad right off the bat either. Early adoption is no guarantee of long term success.

If anyone who knew anything about the games development thought Joel definitely wouldn't bite the dust, then they definitely missed something.

Good to hear you enjoyed the game. It's a shame that some can't say the same. Maybe the pre launch story leak ruined it for them, who knows?

the-pi-guy said:

A shorter story could have worked, but they can't make the changes you're suggesting without making an entirely different game.  And at that point, you're more asking for a game between TLOU and TLOU 2, not asking for a fix for TLOU 2. 

Well ya, it would be a smoother transition from TLOU into the most tragic parts of TLOU2. So it would be a slightly different game, but as long as the same core story is told eventually, even into Part III, did it have to be done in the manner that it was? Obviously not. There's more than one way to skin a cat. Now ND chose to do it that way, and that's fine, but I don't think it was the best approach. That doesn't mean it was the worst approach either.

I guess when people heard of the leaks and that it was filled with SJW stuff they decided internally to hate the game.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

DonFerrari said:
EricHiggin said:

XB1 didn't sell all that bad right off the bat either. Early adoption is no guarantee of long term success.

If anyone who knew anything about the games development thought Joel definitely wouldn't bite the dust, then they definitely missed something.

Good to hear you enjoyed the game. It's a shame that some can't say the same. Maybe the pre launch story leak ruined it for them, who knows?

Well ya, it would be a smoother transition from TLOU into the most tragic parts of TLOU2. So it would be a slightly different game, but as long as the same core story is told eventually, even into Part III, did it have to be done in the manner that it was? Obviously not. There's more than one way to skin a cat. Now ND chose to do it that way, and that's fine, but I don't think it was the best approach. That doesn't mean it was the worst approach either.

I guess when people heard of the leaks and that it was filled with SJW stuff they decided internally to hate the game.

Unfortunately that's how it can work for different people in different ways, especially when it get's political.

Don't look deeper and don't ask questions, just repeat after me.

TLOU2 = Bad.

MSM = Bad.

DT/OM = Bad.

Our own world can be as sick and sad and divisive as the one ND is creating. People don't like looking in the mirror without makeup...



EricHiggin said:
DonFerrari said:

I guess when people heard of the leaks and that it was filled with SJW stuff they decided internally to hate the game.

Unfortunately that's how it can work for different people in different ways, especially when it get's political.

Don't look deeper and don't ask questions, just repeat after me.

TLOU2 = Bad.

MSM = Bad.

DT/OM = Bad.

Our own world can be as sick and sad and divisive as the one ND is creating. People don't like looking in the mirror without makeup...

I'm guilty of this as well, don't go as far as say it is bad or I hate, but I decide quite early if I want to try or not a game and sure that can be often based on imprecise information.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Wrong thread, ignore it.

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A decent review:
https://youtu.be/bh5gzGs-63Y



the-pi-guy said:
A decent review:
https://youtu.be/bh5gzGs-63Y

I'm subscribed to her channel,she has a more casual but often funny take on things and seems like a sweet person too.



DonFerrari said:
EricHiggin said:

Unfortunately that's how it can work for different people in different ways, especially when it get's political.

Don't look deeper and don't ask questions, just repeat after me.

TLOU2 = Bad.

MSM = Bad.

DT/OM = Bad.

Our own world can be as sick and sad and divisive as the one ND is creating. People don't like looking in the mirror without makeup...

I'm guilty of this as well, don't go as far as say it is bad or I hate, but I decide quite early if I want to try or not a game and sure that can be often based on imprecise information.

It's the reason why I never played Uncharted until PS4, of which the UC Collection came with my bundle. I was going to sell it because I read a few somewhat negative reviews, and a few of my friends said they didn't like the first game. Those friends were fairly liberal, and one was a bigger XB fan, though I didn't really pay attention to politics back then or look at the world in a political way. A 'buyer' actually messaged me asking me why I was selling it and told me it was like a better version of the Tomb Raider franchise and I should really try it out. I did oddly enough and loved the series, eventually getting UC4 and UCLL.

It works the opposite way as well at times. You just gotta make a choice and maybe it turns out positive or negative. You never truly know until you try though. For some people $60 just to try every game they want ain't worth the risk. When you get big legitimate leaks and can easily watch walk through's now however, it makes deciding a little easier anyway.



EricHiggin said:
DonFerrari said:

I'm guilty of this as well, don't go as far as say it is bad or I hate, but I decide quite early if I want to try or not a game and sure that can be often based on imprecise information.

It's the reason why I never played Uncharted until PS4, of which the UC Collection came with my bundle. I was going to sell it because I read a few somewhat negative reviews, and a few of my friends said they didn't like the first game. Those friends were fairly liberal, and one was a bigger XB fan, though I didn't really pay attention to politics back then or look at the world in a political way. A 'buyer' actually messaged me asking me why I was selling it and told me it was like a better version of the Tomb Raider franchise and I should really try it out. I did oddly enough and loved the series, eventually getting UC4 and UCLL.

It works the opposite way as well at times. You just gotta make a choice and maybe it turns out positive or negative. You never truly know until you try though. For some people $60 just to try every game they want ain't worth the risk. When you get big legitimate leaks and can easily watch walk through's now however, it makes deciding a little easier anyway.

That is basically my only use of Metacritic. If I'm buying a game from a dev or IP I don't know and it is below 80 I'll probably only buy for less than 10USD. The other deciding factor is genre, some genres I have played some games and didn't like so I avoid most.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994