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Forums - Sales Discussion - In the last full FY of 19/20 Nintendo generates more operating profit than Sony(G&NS), Capcom, Square Enix, Ubisoft, Konami, and Sega Sammy combined.

COKTOE said:
cycycychris said:
It's quite shocking to see that Ubisoft is apparently losing money. I think they had to delay a ton of games if I remember right, so that is likely to blame.

Nintendo has always had a great eye for making profits, they've learned from there mistakes from the wii u era.

I barely touch Ubisoft games any more.  Played one last gen, and two this gen, having started Far Cry 4 a few weeks ago. I was basically loving it, but also living in dread at the prospect of having my entire campaign fall apart. The amount of main campaign mission bugs. Uhg. I've had to re-do several main and side missions because I couldn't progress, ie: pick up the bobble, get in the truck, anyway, not really what I'm driving at.

The game harasses the player to sign up for Uplay every time the game is booted. I pick "skip", because I don't want to give the ghouls at Ubisoft access to all my online information so that they can sell said information to their cockroach friends, in exchange for Elephant War Paint, and a couple of stupid guns. Moving on...

A few days ago, I decided to buy a Far Cry pack, on sale on PSN. Far Cry 5, Far Cry New Dawn, and Far Cry 3 remaster + all the DLC for these games. But. I also decided to wait as long as possible to do so, to give Ubisoft an opportunity to fail. Which they did.

After finishing the campaign last night, I wanted to go online. Yeah. Now the option to skip Uplay sign up, is not there. I mean, they literally still present it as an option, but to go online, you have to create a Uplay account. Unbelievable. I can't stand it when companies hold back content I've already purchased behind some fake-ass barrier. So, these greedy shaved apes have taken the goodwill generated by a piece of software I mostly, really enjoyed, and flushed an immediate purchase of 3 games, and all future purchases, down the toilet. Forever. Except South Park. 🤕

So when I see Ubisoft in the red, it doesn't surprise me. But really, this was an excuse to rant.

This. I deleted For Honor after I was forced to create a Uplay account. As far as I am concerned, they are currently as bad as EA and Acti. I really hope they go under next-gen, or that they get their shit together ASAP, as their live-service crap is unacceptable.



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A console tends to be at its most profitable during its latter years when it has a large install base.  You can look at the chart below and see this with PS4.  (Most recent fiscal year is not listed, but it is about the same as 2019.)  Switch is younger than PS4 so it still has a couple of years until it reaches it's most profitable time.  So even though Nintendo > Sony in profits right now, that gap is going to keep widening.  Basically we ain't seen nothing yet when it comes to Nintendo's profit from the Switch.

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src said:
Nice spin.

If you deemed profit as the utmost of importance then you'd foolishly think companies like Tesla, Amazon, Netflix, Uber were small players.

Any worthwhile analyst knows revenue is what highlights market share best.

Bold: Those companies make games too? WOW.

Second bold: Let's say, A spend 3 billion; gain back 3,5 billion. And B spend 1 billion; gain back 2,5 billion. Who is better here?

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src said:
Nice spin.

If you deemed profit as the utmost of importance then you'd foolishly think companies like Tesla, Amazon, Netflix, Uber were small players.

Any worthwhile analyst knows revenue is what highlights marketshare best.

Nice spin but Operating Profit > Revenue and Nintendo last fiscal year profit alone is bigger than the entire operating profit of PlayStation division during PS1+PS2+PS3+PSP lifetime. 

 Nintendo FY 19/20 operating profit > Sony gaming division from FY 94+95+96+97+98+99+00+01+02+03+04+05+06+07+08+09+10+11



Bofferbrauer2 said:
Anything above 0 was already too much for EA, Konami and Activision Blizzard, they don't deserve making profit for their shenanigans.

I don't know anything about EA and Activision,

but how much do you know about Konami?



My prediction in 2021.

SW: 30m

PS5 16m

XBS: 7.5m

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kazuyamishima said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:
Anything above 0 was already too much for EA, Konami and Activision Blizzard, they don't deserve making profit for their shenanigans.

Star Wars Jedi Fallen Order, Fifa 20 (Not Switch Version), Madden 20, Sea of solitude and COD MW 2019 are good games, have you played them??

I guess the problem is more on the company than some of the games.



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Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

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Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

The_Liquid_Laser said:

A console tends to be at its most profitable during its latter years when it has a large install base.  You can look at the chart below and see this with PS4.  (Most recent fiscal year is not listed, but it is about the same as 2019.)  Switch is younger than PS4 so it still has a couple of years until it reaches it's most profitable time.  So even though Nintendo > Sony in profits right now, that gap is going to keep widening.  Basically we ain't seen nothing yet when it comes to Nintendo's profit from the Switch.

The latter years are usually not that profitable. For the PS3 , you can see that from 2012 and 2013 the PS3 was hindered by PS4 R&D. Then in 2014 and on the PS3 wasn't all that profitable, to offset the PS4. Meanwhile the PS4 profits in 2019/ 2020 have been hindered by PS5 R&D and the latter years will look even worse.

The Wii U's latter years were straight losses to Nintendo due to them focusing on the Switch.



Farsala said:
The_Liquid_Laser said:

A console tends to be at its most profitable during its latter years when it has a large install base.  You can look at the chart below and see this with PS4.  (Most recent fiscal year is not listed, but it is about the same as 2019.)  Switch is younger than PS4 so it still has a couple of years until it reaches it's most profitable time.  So even though Nintendo > Sony in profits right now, that gap is going to keep widening.  Basically we ain't seen nothing yet when it comes to Nintendo's profit from the Switch.

The latter years are usually not that profitable. For the PS3 , you can see that from 2012 and 2013 the PS3 was hindered by PS4 R&D. Then in 2014 and on the PS3 wasn't all that profitable, to offset the PS4. Meanwhile the PS4 profits in 2019/ 2020 have been hindered by PS5 R&D and the latter years will look even worse.

The Wii U's latter years were straight losses to Nintendo due to them focusing on the Switch.

Depends on if you are talking about a profitable console or an unprofitable one.  PS3 lost Sony a ton of money overall.  But even then the later years they lost less money compared to their early years.  Wii U is a similar story.  Nintendo lost a bit in the early years and made a bit after.

Now look at a highly successful console, like the PS4 or Switch, then the latter years are the most profitable.  A high install base translates into more software sold and more subscriptions.



Nintendo is doomed!

DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMED!



kazuyamishima said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:
Anything above 0 was already too much for EA, Konami and Activision Blizzard, they don't deserve making profit for their shenanigans.

Star Wars Jedi Fallen Order, Fifa 20 (Not Switch Version), Madden 20, Sea of solitude and COD MW 2019 are good games, have you played them??

Yeah, that may be... though you'd had to look long under all those microtransactions and monetisation schemes to find the damn game in the supposed game, and that's a no-go to me, no matter how good the game is. And these (plus Take Two, forgot to mention them) push those more and more and more.

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