Turning this into a tech conversation makes no sense, especially not a PC vs Console one lol.

Even looking at PS5 vs XSX, its nonsensical to think you can make assertions about respective platforms power from comparing a UE5 tech demo to a bunch of cross gen trailers. It simply boils down to whether you prefer to see an ambitious tech demonstration of what we'll see down the road or do you prefer the quick showcase of some games coming in the near future.

Easy answer is there is a time a place for both.

Technically MS already had their tech showcase with Hellblade 2, in which case UE5 Demo is significantly more impressive since it was actual real time rendering and gameplay, whereas HB2 was more like an artist expectation based off "in-engine assets" versus anything running on realtime on XSX. That's why it didn't create waves when revealed.

Meanwhile the game showcase which MS had was underwhelming because many were not running on XSX, many were GCI and many didn't have gameplay. None really showed why we would want to invest $500 into a new machine.


End point is, this is a marketing discussion and sony branding the UE5 showcase generated far more excitement in me than anything MS has presented, so sony played their cards right there after the complete misfire of the GDC talk. Lets see what happens next.

More like I have four F150’s that tow way more than yours. And if the discussion is about how towing more at once can get you better results then I guess it’s completely relevant and useful. After all you have people in the thread who actually believe this demo is only possible on PS5 and would have to be downgraded to run elsewhere. 

Nothing wrong with him pointing out that it’s nonsense. Maybe y’all should just stop engaging him if you’re tired of him shutting y’all down?

I feel like there's some contradiction in your overall post here, because for one:

You're claiming he's downplaying consoles, when all he's doing is posting straight up facts, and you and others seem to take great offence to this, often resorting to the price argument.

You then go on to claim that PC can have all the hw in the world, but that it'll never be used in a "meaningful way", but consoles will, claiming like that's a straight up fact and totally not trying to downplay the opposite platform. It goes two ways, not one way, bud.

Then at the end, you're tossing in the "I'm from both camps, but totally not bias, not in the way Pem is!", and claim you're excited to see what this tech could do on PC's, yet your earlier comment before states that it doesn't matter what PC packs, because it'll never be realised, according to your own beliefs, so really that ends up contradicting what you say at the end, because going by your logic, this fancy "new" tech will never be "properly" realised on PC, because "devs don't bother pushing PC", and yet Pem has shown us multiple times, even CGI, another mod, has shown us that PC can still be pushed in numerous ways.

I just find this so tiresome, because I'm watching multiple folk trying to argue against two knowledgeable mods, one of which actually works with the tech and higher end hw, who actually does know more than most of you on here, but ya'll try to act like you've got 10 degrees worth of wiki knowledge on hw and tech. You're woefully outclassed and yet you refuse to admit this. There's a very valid reason why I hardly bother to contest the two of them, because I myself know and admit that I am not within their league of knowledge, and don't want to just spew pointless jargon. I know those two know what's up, and I respect them for that, I don't know why some of you here cannot see that.

I mean, this seems to become the general consensus when it comes to PC's being brought into console discussions, be it tech, price or brand/games. Any time a PC has a fact brought to the table it must somehow be deemed wrong or "biased" against another platform, or that it "doesn't matter, because it'll never be used meaningfully anyway", and that itself is wholly disingenuous.

I'm still wondering why some folk get upset, when someone brings in an actual dose of modern day reality to the table. Does it shatter the illusion marketing has hand crafted over the past few years?, likely, but I feel like it's needed, because taking PR speak as gospel will only make the rush of reality a more crushing blow to someone who took that PR as truth. 

I cannot stress the bold text enough.

If some of ya'll here don't like CGI or Pem putting you down with hw facts, then simply do not bother posting in these threads, and just focus on the pure gaming ones instead. Trying to challenge someone who holds more clout/knowledge than yourself, is only going to get you hurt mentally, ego, pride and all. Some of you can keep "challenging" them all you want, but it'll only make the entertainment value more entertaining to watch. Like watching a toddler trying to debate with Einstein. 

Battlefield 3 came out in 2011 towards the end of the 7th gen console cycle.

nVidia will release it's next-gen GPU's before the next-gen consoles launch.. Something we need to keep in mind.

nVidia at the moment is beating AMD despite AMD being on 7nm and nVidia only 12nm. (Which is just a refined TSMC 16nm process which in turn is based on 20nm but with Finfet and a change to the BEOL/FEOL.)
There is a reported 4x increase in Ray Tracing performance, 20 teraflops of compute and 40GB of Ram @1.6TB/s for the Ampere/A100 chip from nVidia with a whopping 54~ billion transistors. - That could end up being paired up with GDDR6 with adjusted clocks for the next Titan, definitely being used for compute/servers/professional scenarios.

Either way, the PC will be a step up over the Playstation 5 and Xbox Series X when next-gen consoles eventually release as the PC will have new GPU's released.

The consoles only have a mid-range 8-core Ryzen CPU (Granted is still damn impressive.) with only 6-7 for actual gaming.
12 and 16 cores are readily available and are the high-end offerings these days on the PC with 24-32-48-64 etc' core CPU's being workstation/enthusiast grade.

The SSD in the Playstation 5 will certainly beat your run of the mill SSD in any PC, but an Enthusiast PC will always be in another league from consoles.

But the PC's SSD's are also larger, 32-256GB SSD's are budget rubbish usually using a couple of NAND chips at most.
512GB SSD's are pretty entry level, 960-1TB SSD's are about your mid-range, 2TB SSD's are fairly high-end with 4TB drives as enthusiast.

Ram wise... 4GB is netbook trash.
8GB is low-end, 16GB is mid-range, 32GB is high-end, 64GB-256GB is Enthusiast and so on.

But for the price of a console, I think all the manufacturers have struck a good balance, Nintendo prioritized portability, Microsoft prioritized compute, Sony prioritized storage.

The question remains... Which games will be a reflection of those strengths and weaknesses?

Yes. Yes we should.

Because the PC does have the technical superiority? Let's not sugar coat it, downplay it or lie about it.

A high-end PC will beat the Playstation 5, Xbox Series X, Nintendo Switch in every single aspect, in every single scenario. Those are the undeniable facts.

A Playstation 5/Xbox Series X will beat a low-end PC and are probably competitive with a mid-range rig that gets sold later this year, those are also the facts.

I have already stated my impressions about the demo.. And yes I was impressed as overall it's a damn impressive presentation and I am excited.
I have said all along that the Xbox Series X and Playstation 5 offer solid and compelling hardware.

Don't twist my words or intentions to be something they aren't.

Also the demo in question isn't leveraging the RT cores or DLSS there is still untapped potential left on the table to bolster image quality... And that truly makes me moist.

False.

I also give credit where credit is due, you just choose to ignore it seems. I have consistently praised the Xbox Series X and Playstation 5's hardware since their specifications got revealed. Did you not take note of that?

They are both based on PC technology.
They are both semi-custom PC's.

They both have strengths and weaknesses.

They are both solid pieces of hardware that is worthy of a purchase.

Cerny has a conflict of interest, he has an interest to drive console sales, So does Phil Spencer, hence why I take whatever their statements are with a grain of salt and prefer more impartial sources like Anandtech or Digital Foundry, that removes any fundamental bias.

The funny thing about this conversation about PC Vs next-gen console is... that a today $2000 PC will play exactly the same games of a $399 / $499 Playstation5 or XSex at a similar level of quality :D

And the other funny thing is that 95% of the todays PC gamers have an hardware far inferior to next-gen consoles! (source Steam)

So, when 51% of PC gamers will have a superior hardware then we can speak about PC technical superiority "in general" ;)

It would be like someone claiming that one car have the most powerfull engine petrol engine ever at 1000hp, and someone brings a counter that another car have 4 electric motor that together deliver 1200hp and say that the other person was lying.

Cerny was lying, Sweeney is lying, Digital Foundry is lying, everyone is lying.

It might look and run better on some fronts and not on other fronts,you're misleading yourself when you think it WILL look and run better on Xbox.

he said she said it said