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goopy20 said:

I totally get MS's reasoning behind GP, at least from a business sense, but do you guys think MS studios should all be doing multiple smaller projects to keep GP content fresh, or would you like to see them focus more on larger scale AAA titles?

Obviously we don't know exactly what they're all working on but take Ninja Theory for example. They're making Hellblade 2 but they also just released Bleeding Edge and are doing Project Mara as well. Obsidian's new game Grounded also looks like a small scale project and the Initiative apparently also has multiple "small" projects they're working on. It just feels like there's a very strong indie vibe to all the games we're seeing from MS's 1st party studios, even though I'm sure a lot of them will turn out to be great. Hell, Gears tactics looks more interesting than Gears 4 or 5 and I loved Ori. However, those are not typically the kind of games I would buy a next gen console for.

Here is an article about Wasteland 3 where the developers talk a little bit about the development process:

https://www.gamesradar.com/wasteland-3-gamescom-2019-preview/

"Fargo is keen to note that it isn't just the money that has made the difference here – although it certainly helps – it's something more invaluable than raw cash flow alone: InXile has been given time. "It's always the elephant in the room with game development, time. When you speak to the best developers in the industry – whether it is Rockstar or Blizzard – the biggest factor is always time. It's the same across the group, it's always time, time, time," Fargo tells me, explaining that for studios the size of InXile any amount of added time can make a world of difference. "We think a certain way about development and we are run very tightly as a result. We're not looking for three to six extra years, but three to six months. For a group like us, that can be night and day. Six months can make all the difference; six months could be a '10 on Metacritic' change for us.""

Now you tell me if that sounds to you like an emphasis in quantity over quality.



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If there's anything worth getting on Xbox, at least I'll be able to play it on my PC. Nothing announced yet screams "must buy an Xbox"..
Especially next gen, personally, between my PC and possible PS5 purchase, there's really no reason to move over, regardless of quality.

Last edited by BillyBong - on 07 April 2020

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BillyBong said:

If there's anything worth getting on Xbox, at least I'll be able to play it on my PC. Nothing announced yet screams "must buy an Xbox"..
Especially next gen, personally, between my PC and possible PS5 purchase, there's really no reason to move over, regardless of quality.

You sound like someone who isn’t in the market anyway for a Xbox console. But instead of “must buy Xbox” its “must play Xbox” which technically could mean buying Steam versions or PC Game Pass.
Its people like yourself that make it clear why MS is doing what they are doing. You have a PC and have a preference for Sony...yet MS found a way to get to you (if the games are worth it). 



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

sales2099 said:
BillyBong said:

If there's anything worth getting on Xbox, at least I'll be able to play it on my PC. Nothing announced yet screams "must buy an Xbox"..
Especially next gen, personally, between my PC and possible PS5 purchase, there's really no reason to move over, regardless of quality.

You sound like someone who isn’t in the market anyway for a Xbox console. But instead of “must buy Xbox” its “must play Xbox” which technically could mean buying Steam versions or PC Game Pass.
Its people like yourself that make it clear why MS is doing what they are doing. You have a PC and have a preference for Sony...yet MS found a way to get to you (if the games are worth it). 

Fair enough.  It's not that I'm not in the market, it's since this gen and looks like next gen also, there's nothing there that compels me to buy an Xbox console for my Xbox fix, especially if I can get my xbox fix through PC.  Now if Sony begins to release more of their exclusives to PC I'd be saying the same thing..



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eva01beserk said:

Think of it like fifa or madden or 2k or racism Sims or what ever else. Theese games dont entice gamers who are nit interested in thouse types of games. The same players will buy it year after year but it's gona be near impossible for them to convice someone who is not into thouse types of games to buy into them no matter the improbements, innovation or what ever. Halo which is a long standing franchise fits into that category. They can get better and fans will love it but thouse who are not fans will keep ignoring it. Its not just MS just in case, applys to zelda, mario, uncharted, civilization, assasins creed and what ever game is just a iteration of the last. Games could be like god of war that that broke its own mold but that's rare and I don't think MS will go that way as they have very few big name ip's and they wont risk loosing the fans.

Think you missing the point. MS seeking out fresh gamers. And with their superior genre diversity, charming titles like Ori for example, which would traditionally belong on something like Switch.

Plus, a low barrier to entry, they will do just that. The madden and FIFA Xbox fans like myself will still get their fix. 

I think you are quoting the wrong post here. I made no refrence to thouse games, just the big one that MS and other big publishers rely on so they don't change much or at all.

And I do agree with you that they are expanding with those little games. Its much easier and less risky to go wild with small budget games. The only thing is that if one of those little games like ori gets good reception and its highly recomendable the game dosent sell much or even garners that much attention cuz while amazing for what it is the majority of gamers puts them against biger titles like COD or whatever else that steals most of the attention. So it makes waves for very little time unroll something big splashes and even if its mediocre it still outshines ori like resident evil 3 is doing. Its not the greatest game to some but it still sucking all the attention while ori got all that praise. 

And again I don't think MS is making a mistake here. Just saying that don't expect the 3-4 AAA games a year Phil was promising. Just dosent make sense as long as gamepass is a thing. Just one big game and a bunch of little ones that will be forgotten as soon as something big comes along if they are good. Most will go unnoticed by gamers.



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One big game a year and a few small ones is not enough to entice people to sub lol. People always want to claim MS is going to poop out GamePass filler and limit big games on it but they never say how those strategies are supposed to actually help them push subs.

Netflix doesn’t release one big series and then stop for the year.



That list of exclusives looks so bad.



People for decades: Not enough 1st party exclusives!

Microsoft now: Have all the 1st party exclusives!

People: To many exclusives!

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.



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goopy20 said:

I totally get MS's reasoning behind GP, at least from a business sense, but do you guys think MS studios should all be doing multiple smaller projects to keep GP content fresh, or would you like to see them focus more on larger scale AAA titles?

Obviously we don't know exactly what they're all working on but take Ninja Theory for example. They're making Hellblade 2 but they also just released Bleeding Edge and are doing Project Mara as well. Obsidian's new game Grounded also looks like a small scale project and the Initiative apparently also has multiple "small" projects they're working on. It just feels like there's a very strong indie vibe to all the games we're seeing from MS's 1st party studios, even though I'm sure a lot of them will turn out to be great. Hell, Gears tactics looks more interesting than Gears 4 or 5 and I loved Ori. However, those are not typically the kind of games I would buy a next gen console for.

At best I would expect 2-3 AAA games a year from MS. At par with competitors. I believe there will be better quality control on exclusives now that more studios are working exclusively for MS.

Not every project needs or justifies a AAA budget. Especially games in more simplistic or less popular genres. So the B tier stuff is justified, some feel its among the best.

I think MS is pumping out more content because Xbox, PC and Gamepass combined allows their content to generate more revenue. MS can also do more with more studios, they aren't necessarily being spread thin.

In regard to Ninja Theory, they apparently develop some games with a small teams. So that might explain why they can do numerous projects.



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Nogamez said:
That list of exclusives looks so bad.

What makes them look bad? Because they don't cater to your taste?