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pikashoe said:
deskpro2k3 said:

wtf? You expect an exact 1:1 representation of the original with technology of today? They specifically said they've added many new scenes. The Bombing Mission was pretty damn faithful to me. The park scene was faithful. As well as many other things but with modern tech.

I don't know how many times you need to be told the same thing. People were expecting the story and characters to be expanded upon, maybe some extra sequences to be added, generally stuff that will add to and expand upon the original story.

This is just throwing out the original story and doing something almost completely different. I'm not sure if you've seen spoilers or not, but the latter part of this release completely jumps the shark. Now some my like this direction but the people who are unhappy with this are completely justified in there reasoning for not liking this new direction.

My points was directed towards what he addressed in his post.. How about you not interject yourself in a discussion that does not address the talking points.

I don't know how many times I have to tell people like you over and over again that the story was expanded upon. People are just unhappy because of that single none issue.

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Hynad said:
thismeintiel said:

And what about these lies from just two weeks ago?

"In terms of how faithful the remake is to the original Final Fantasy VII, from the perspective of the storyline, it is very faithful indeed," Toriyama said. "The major story structure is kept very close, so you will do the Mako Reactor bombing mission and then return to the Sector 7 slums."

Longtime series writer Kazushige Nojima echoed Toriyama's sentiment, adding: "Well, the main story is still the same, but I have added in many new scenes that happen between the main events of the original, which show how the relationship between Cloud and the other characters deepened. [For example], Cloud's childhood friend Tifa shows him a flat in Midgar, and they come to live in the same building. It is a Japanese-styled flat and the scene itself is quite sweet. So, I want people to look forward to [those additions]."

Producer and director of the original game, Yoshinori Kitase, also chimed in: "Of course, all the memorable elements and key moments from the original have been faithfully reproduced, and you can enjoy experiencing those again."

Again, these are absolute lies. Very faithful, my ass. I will not support false advertising or using the guise of a remake so Nomura can make more KH's bullshit. If you want to come up with excuses for  why blatantly lying to consumers is ok, you go right ahead, but don't act like they weren't BSing us from the start.

Ahhh well. You haven’t experienced it sooo... In the mean time, keep the outcry culture strong! 🤘👍👍


“Because Cloud... You... are a puppet.”

Ooo, the angst. I can see why you like turning FF7 into KH.

deskpro2k3 said:
thismeintiel said:

And what about these lies from just two weeks ago?

"In terms of how faithful the remake is to the original Final Fantasy VII, from the perspective of the storyline, it is very faithful indeed," Toriyama said. "The major story structure is kept very close, so you will do the Mako Reactor bombing mission and then return to the Sector 7 slums."

Longtime series writer Kazushige Nojima echoed Toriyama's sentiment, adding: "Well, the main story is still the same, but I have added in many new scenes that happen between the main events of the original, which show how the relationship between Cloud and the other characters deepened. [For example], Cloud's childhood friend Tifa shows him a flat in Midgar, and they come to live in the same building. It is a Japanese-styled flat and the scene itself is quite sweet. So, I want people to look forward to [those additions]."

Producer and director of the original game, Yoshinori Kitase, also chimed in: "Of course, all the memorable elements and key moments from the original have been faithfully reproduced, and you can enjoy experiencing those again."

Again, these are absolute lies. Very faithful, my ass. I will not support false advertising or using the guise of a remake so Nomura can make more KH's bullshit. If you want to come up with excuses for  why blatantly lying to consumers is ok, you go right ahead, but don't act like they weren't BSing us from the start.

wtf? It's like you expect an exact 1:1 representation of the original with technology of today. They specifically said they've added many new scenes. The Bombing Mission was pretty damn faithful to me. The park scene was faithful. As well as many other things but with modern tech.

Reading comprehensive fail there. No one is upset about added scenes amongst a "very faithful" remake of the original storyline. What pisses people off is SE saying that's what the game is, yet deliver a completely different thing than promised. Sure, this thing is probably that for around 75% of the game. The problem is that the other 25% not only shits on the OG story, but makes them trying to be faithful for that 75% useless. It's no longer FF7. It's FF7: Genisys. The story going from this point onward is whatever they want it to be. A new sequel to FF7: Genisys, not the next chapter in a "very faithful" remake.



Runa216 said:
HoangNhatAnh said:

expand = adding more contents to the original story

FFVIIR = changing completely some major plots of the original story

When remaking a story/game, changes might be necessary. Maybe there's a better way to do something, a more reasonable change to the plot, a more realistic sequence of events? I'm just saying, don't go into ANY remake or remaster or reimagining or whatever you wanna call this expecting the exact same thing. If they were just giving us the exact same thing with prettier graphics, then seriously what is the point? the remaster we got on PS4/Switch was that. This is a whole other thing and I thought it was super obvious from day one that there would be alterations to the game's fundamentals. 

I find it utterly baffling that people are upset that a game that's so far removed from the original in terms of gameplay and presentation would also have significant changes to the plot. From my perspective - and the perspective of most people who write - changes like that are inevitable. 

Look at the MCU: lots of changes from the source material, doing different things to get to many of the same places. and look how much money those movies make. Look at the reviews those films receive. they're good not because of the adherence to the source material, but because of the original things they do and the unique ways they do them. 

If you wanna judge the remake based 100% on how strictly adheres to the original's plot, then you do you. I'll be over here in reality where changes to an adaptation are a fundamental part of the adaptation process. they're par for the course. Virtually necessary to the creative process. 

Lufia on snes was a turn based rpg, got a remake on ds: graphic/art sytle/control completely changed, gameplay: action rpg and the main story: remain the same as the original. That is what we call a remake. Name me an example of a JRPG remake which had the main plot completely changed from the original???



thismeintiel said:

Hynad said:

Ahhh well. You haven’t experienced it sooo... In the mean time, keep the outcry culture strong! 🤘👍👍


“Because Cloud... You... are a puppet.”

Ooo, the angst. I can see why you like turning FF7 into KH.

deskpro2k3 said:

wtf? It's like you expect an exact 1:1 representation of the original with technology of today. They specifically said they've added many new scenes. The Bombing Mission was pretty damn faithful to me. The park scene was faithful. As well as many other things but with modern tech.

Reading comprehensive fail there. No one is upset about added scenes amongst a "very faithful" remake of the original storyline. What pisses people off is SE saying that's what the game is, yet deliver a completely different thing than promised. Sure, this thing is probably that for around 75% of the game. The problem is that the other 25% not only shits on the OG story, but makes them trying to be faithful for that 75% useless. It's no longer FF7. It's FF7: Genisys. The story going from this point onward is whatever they want it to be. A new sequel to FF7: Genisys, not the next chapter in a "very faithful" remake.

They're upset because they don't know what a Remake is. Probably the same people that can't tell the difference between episodic and a multipart game.

I'll leave you to believe whatever you want.



Immersiveunreality said:
HoangNhatAnh said:

When all other remakes didn't do that, then the only one who was wrong is this game.

Second bolded: i don't care if it added or cut out something, as long as the main story was kept, then it is a remake. But nope, the major plot of the main story was changed, the "remake" which you claimed is not a remake anymore.

Wrong, a remake CAN have a changed plot if it still chronologically keeps other elements of the story intact with the same characters.

Give me an example of a remake JRPG which changed the plot like that.

deskpro2k3 said:
thismeintiel said:

And what about these lies from just two weeks ago?

"In terms of how faithful the remake is to the original Final Fantasy VII, from the perspective of the storyline, it is very faithful indeed," Toriyama said. "The major story structure is kept very close, so you will do the Mako Reactor bombing mission and then return to the Sector 7 slums."

Longtime series writer Kazushige Nojima echoed Toriyama's sentiment, adding: "Well, the main story is still the same, but I have added in many new scenes that happen between the main events of the original, which show how the relationship between Cloud and the other characters deepened. [For example], Cloud's childhood friend Tifa shows him a flat in Midgar, and they come to live in the same building. It is a Japanese-styled flat and the scene itself is quite sweet. So, I want people to look forward to [those additions]."

Producer and director of the original game, Yoshinori Kitase, also chimed in: "Of course, all the memorable elements and key moments from the original have been faithfully reproduced, and you can enjoy experiencing those again."

Again, these are absolute lies. Very faithful, my ass. I will not support false advertising or using the guise of a remake so Nomura can make more KH's bullshit. If you want to come up with excuses for  why blatantly lying to consumers is ok, you go right ahead, but don't act like they weren't BSing us from the start.

wtf? It's like you expect an exact 1:1 representation of the original with technology of today. They specifically said they've added many new scenes. The Bombing Mission was pretty damn faithful to me. The park scene was faithful. As well as many other things but with modern tech.

Added something to the original story is fine, changing the original story is not. Don't spread out the wrong information.



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HoangNhatAnh said:
Runa216 said:

When remaking a story/game, changes might be necessary. Maybe there's a better way to do something, a more reasonable change to the plot, a more realistic sequence of events? I'm just saying, don't go into ANY remake or remaster or reimagining or whatever you wanna call this expecting the exact same thing. If they were just giving us the exact same thing with prettier graphics, then seriously what is the point? the remaster we got on PS4/Switch was that. This is a whole other thing and I thought it was super obvious from day one that there would be alterations to the game's fundamentals. 

I find it utterly baffling that people are upset that a game that's so far removed from the original in terms of gameplay and presentation would also have significant changes to the plot. From my perspective - and the perspective of most people who write - changes like that are inevitable. 

Look at the MCU: lots of changes from the source material, doing different things to get to many of the same places. and look how much money those movies make. Look at the reviews those films receive. they're good not because of the adherence to the source material, but because of the original things they do and the unique ways they do them. 

If you wanna judge the remake based 100% on how strictly adheres to the original's plot, then you do you. I'll be over here in reality where changes to an adaptation are a fundamental part of the adaptation process. they're par for the course. Virtually necessary to the creative process. 

Lufia on snes was a turn based rpg, got a remake on ds: graphic/art sytle/control completely changed, gameplay: action rpg and the main story: remain the same as the original. That is what we call a remake. Name me an example of a JRPG remake which had the main plot completely changed from the original???

Final Fantasy XIV



HoangNhatAnh said:
Immersiveunreality said:

Wrong, a remake CAN have a changed plot if it still chronologically keeps other elements of the story intact with the same characters.

Give me an example of a remake JRPG which changed the plot like that.

deskpro2k3 said:

wtf? It's like you expect an exact 1:1 representation of the original with technology of today. They specifically said they've added many new scenes. The Bombing Mission was pretty damn faithful to me. The park scene was faithful. As well as many other things but with modern tech.

Added something to the original story is fine, changing the original story is not. Don't spread out the wrong information.

I'm only spreading hard facts.



deskpro2k3 said:
HoangNhatAnh said:

Lufia on snes was a turn based rpg, got a remake on ds: graphic/art sytle/control completely changed, gameplay: action rpg and the main story: remain the same as the original. That is what we call a remake. Name me an example of a JRPG remake which had the main plot completely changed from the original???

Final Fantasy XIV

FFXIV is not a remake dude come on man this is an absurd reach trying to pass off FFXIV as a remake is like saying No Man's Sky is a remake as well.



deskpro2k3 said:
pikashoe said:

I don't know how many times you need to be told the same thing. People were expecting the story and characters to be expanded upon, maybe some extra sequences to be added, generally stuff that will add to and expand upon the original story.

This is just throwing out the original story and doing something almost completely different. I'm not sure if you've seen spoilers or not, but the latter part of this release completely jumps the shark. Now some my like this direction but the people who are unhappy with this are completely justified in there reasoning for not liking this new direction.

My points was directed towards what he addressed in his post.. How about you not interject yourself in a discussion that does not address the talking points.

I don't know how many times I have to tell people like you over and over again that the story was expanded upon. People are just unhappy because of that single none issue.

My initial comment admittedly starts off a bit too aggressive, I'm not trying to start an argument with you, but you are misinterpreting what people are saying and it's making you look bad. it's cool that you are fine with the story getting completely changed but I think the people that are unhappy have completely valid reasons to be angry about these massive changes. 



deskpro2k3 said:
HoangNhatAnh said:

Lufia on snes was a turn based rpg, got a remake on ds: graphic/art sytle/control completely changed, gameplay: action rpg and the main story: remain the same as the original. That is what we call a remake. Name me an example of a JRPG remake which had the main plot completely changed from the original???

Final Fantasy XIV

Ah, an update port? Now it somehow is a remake because you said so. WOW