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JWeinCom said:
KLXVER said:

Well if I was in the area and had blood on my hands, then maybe you would believe I did it...?

No, because I would need a lot more information, starting with whether Jaleel white is alive and if there's evidence he's been sodomized. That amount of evidence, which I would have to be the one to present, in no way justifies the conclusion that Jaleel White has been sodomized and murdered by you. I'm not going to assume everyone with bloody hands in the vicinity of Jaleel White murdered and sodomized him.

Likewise, you have not provided enough evidence to support your claim. The extent of your evidence is that they are affiliated with a charity that is not legally allowed to give to democratic campaigns, but is affiliated with a platform that does raise money for campaigns. That evidence sucks. At best it's a reason for us to maybe be suspicious, but you've went far beyond that. So you shouldn't be making the claim. And if you care about coming to justified conclusions, you shouldn't be believing it. 

And this isn't just a poorly founded accusation of criminality, it is a conspiracy theory. It is theorizing that numerous organizations conspired to illegally move money and that democratic campaigns were aware of this and cooperated with these organizations to move this money and look the other way on their activities due to this support. That is a whole basket of crimes by a wealth of individuals and organizations all supported by basically nothing. 

Further, all BLM would have to do in order to do this legally is not partner with a 501c3 organization to handle their money. It involves far too many moving parts to be worth a risk that nobody involved would have any reason to take.



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sundin13 said:
JWeinCom said:

No, because I would need a lot more information, starting with whether Jaleel white is alive and if there's evidence he's been sodomized. That amount of evidence, which I would have to be the one to present, in no way justifies the conclusion that Jaleel White has been sodomized and murdered by you. I'm not going to assume everyone with bloody hands in the vicinity of Jaleel White murdered and sodomized him.

Likewise, you have not provided enough evidence to support your claim. The extent of your evidence is that they are affiliated with a charity that is not legally allowed to give to democratic campaigns, but is affiliated with a platform that does raise money for campaigns. That evidence sucks. At best it's a reason for us to maybe be suspicious, but you've went far beyond that. So you shouldn't be making the claim. And if you care about coming to justified conclusions, you shouldn't be believing it. 

And this isn't just a poorly founded accusation of criminality, it is a conspiracy theory. It is theorizing that numerous organizations conspired to illegally move money and that democratic campaigns were aware of this and cooperated with these organizations to move this money and look the other way on their activities due to this support. That is a whole basket of crimes by a wealth of individuals and organizations all supported by basically nothing. 

Further, all BLM would have to do in order to do this legally is not partner with a 501c3 organization to handle their money. It involves far too many moving parts to be worth a risk that nobody involved would have any reason to take.

Yeah, the group also known to many for activities like murder, hurting and terrorizing people, looting, tearing down and burning public property and accusing an entire country of being racist could never illegally shift some money around. Thats just crazy talk...

Give me a fucking break dude.

 



KLXVER said:
sundin13 said:

And this isn't just a poorly founded accusation of criminality, it is a conspiracy theory. It is theorizing that numerous organizations conspired to illegally move money and that democratic campaigns were aware of this and cooperated with these organizations to move this money and look the other way on their activities due to this support. That is a whole basket of crimes by a wealth of individuals and organizations all supported by basically nothing. 

Further, all BLM would have to do in order to do this legally is not partner with a 501c3 organization to handle their money. It involves far too many moving parts to be worth a risk that nobody involved would have any reason to take.

Yeah, the group also known to many for activities like murder, hurting and terrorizing people, looting, tearing down and burning public property and accusing an entire country of being racist could never illegally shift some money around. Thats just crazy talk...

Give me a fucking break dude.

Oh god, this is so dumb. I can't even...



sundin13 said:
KLXVER said:

Yeah, the group also known to many for activities like murder, hurting and terrorizing people, looting, tearing down and burning public property and accusing an entire country of being racist could never illegally shift some money around. Thats just crazy talk...

Give me a fucking break dude.

Oh god, this is so dumb. I can't even...

Of course you cant. Keep covering your eyes and imagine a nice place.



KLXVER said:
sundin13 said:

And this isn't just a poorly founded accusation of criminality, it is a conspiracy theory. It is theorizing that numerous organizations conspired to illegally move money and that democratic campaigns were aware of this and cooperated with these organizations to move this money and look the other way on their activities due to this support. That is a whole basket of crimes by a wealth of individuals and organizations all supported by basically nothing. 

Further, all BLM would have to do in order to do this legally is not partner with a 501c3 organization to handle their money. It involves far too many moving parts to be worth a risk that nobody involved would have any reason to take.

Yeah, the group also known to many for activities like murder, hurting and terrorizing people, looting, tearing down and burning public property and accusing an entire country of being racist could never illegally shift some money around. Thats just crazy talk...

Give me a fucking break dude.

 

Totally missing the point. Even taking this new wave of accusations at face value, for this to be true you're also implicating the FEC and the IRS among other organizations. You're basically saying a huge portion of the government is compromised. Absolutely a conspiracy theory. 

And even if they are terrorist looters, that doesn't mean they have any skill in financial fraud. Totally different skill sets.



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JWeinCom said:
KLXVER said:

Yeah, the group also known to many for activities like murder, hurting and terrorizing people, looting, tearing down and burning public property and accusing an entire country of being racist could never illegally shift some money around. Thats just crazy talk...

Give me a fucking break dude.

 

Totally missing the point. Even taking this new wave of accusations at face value, for this to be true you're also implicating the FEC and the IRS among other organizations. You're basically saying a huge portion of the government is compromised. Absolutely a conspiracy theory. 

Yeah, keep making it bigger. Good job. The IRS...lol



KLXVER said:
JWeinCom said:

Totally missing the point. Even taking this new wave of accusations at face value, for this to be true you're also implicating the FEC and the IRS among other organizations. You're basically saying a huge portion of the government is compromised. Absolutely a conspiracy theory. 

Yeah, keep making it bigger. Good job. The IRS...lol

Yes... the IRS would have to be willfully ignoring this since I believe they are responsible for auditing non-profits to assure they have valid tax exempt status. Are you suggesting you have evidence that the IRS is helping them to commit fraud?

And... you've seemingly stopped trying to defend anything with any kind of cogent argument. So, at this point you may want to drop it, or proceed at your own risk.

Edit: Yup, the IRS grants that status. https://ctb.ku.edu/en/table-of-contents/finances/managing-finances/nonprofit-status-tax-exemption/main#:~:text=A%20first%20important%20distinction%20to,the%20form%20of%20the%20IRS.



JWeinCom said:
KLXVER said:

Yeah, keep making it bigger. Good job. The IRS...lol

Yes... the IRS would have to be willfully ignoring this since I believe they are responsible for auditing non-profits to assure they have valid tax exempt status. Are you suggesting you have evidence that the IRS is helping them to commit fraud?

And... you've seemingly stopped trying to defend anything with any kind of cogent argument. So, at this point you may want to drop it, or proceed at your own risk.

Edit: Yup, the IRS grants that status. https://ctb.ku.edu/en/table-of-contents/finances/managing-finances/nonprofit-status-tax-exemption/main#:~:text=A%20first%20important%20distinction%20to,the%20form%20of%20the%20IRS.

So BLM getting the money and giving it to the DNC with the knowledge of Act Blue would make the IRS a part of it because...?



KLXVER said:
JWeinCom said:

Yes... the IRS would have to be willfully ignoring this since I believe they are responsible for auditing non-profits to assure they have valid tax exempt status. Are you suggesting you have evidence that the IRS is helping them to commit fraud?

And... you've seemingly stopped trying to defend anything with any kind of cogent argument. So, at this point you may want to drop it, or proceed at your own risk.

Edit: Yup, the IRS grants that status. https://ctb.ku.edu/en/table-of-contents/finances/managing-finances/nonprofit-status-tax-exemption/main#:~:text=A%20first%20important%20distinction%20to,the%20form%20of%20the%20IRS.

So BLM getting the money and giving it to the DNC with the knowledge of Act Blue would make the IRS a part of it because...?

Because the IRS granted Act Blue charities 501c3 status, meaning they determined that they were not doing that, and Act Blue charities is required to make filings with the IRS each year to show that they are not doing that. The money then went to another company that also has 501c3 status which also couldn't give it to the DNC. You'd imagine if their corruption was so obvious that random VGChartz user figured out their scheme, then the IRS would certainly have sniffed them out and stripped them of their status. So why hasn't the IRS done just that? 

And all donations to the DNC have to be reported to the FEC who has claimed that BLM nor the 501c3s associated with it have made any donations. So, the FEC would have to be in on it too.

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/06/donations-to-black-lives-matter-group-dont-go-to-dnc/

Last edited by JWeinCom - on 03 October 2020

JWeinCom said:
KLXVER said:

So BLM getting the money and giving it to the DNC with the knowledge of Act Blue would make the IRS a part of it because...?

Because the IRS granted Act Blue charities 501c3 status, meaning they determined that they were not doing that, and Act Blue charities is required to make filings with the IRS each year to show that they are not doing that. The money then went to another company that also has 501c3 status which also couldn't give it to the DNC. You'd imagine if their corruption was so obvious that random VGChartz user figured out their scheme, then the IRS would certainly have sniffed them out and stripped them of their status. So why hasn't the IRS done just that? 

What does that have to do with anything? As soon as the money reached BLM they donated it to the DNC. Im not sure what you are saying. Youre saying that BLM dont get the money. They can never use any of it? Im confused....