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So we're currently in the endgame. Destruction of evidence and mass pardons.

Imagine pardons existing and still claiming to live in a democracy.



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Republicans rally to boycott the Georgia runoffs.

If they keep this up the Dems may take the Senate after all.



TallSilhouette said:

Republicans rally to boycott the Georgia runoffs.

If they keep this up the Dems may take the Senate after all.

The mistake you and the the video's creator are making is assuming these people are republicans. Trump and his flunkies are not republicans. They have no political ideology. Trump's only goal is to benefit Trump, and the only goal of people like Lin Wood is to keep him in power for as long as possible so they advantage of his position for their benefit. If holding the republican party hostage suits that goal, so be it. 

Identifying as republican was a means to an end. If Trump believed it was in his personal interest, he'd be waving rainbow flags, calling for free college, signing executive orders to ban assault rifles, etc. If he thought being a liberal was the way to power, he'd make Bernie Sanders look like Rand Paul.



JWeinCom said:

The mistake you and the the video's creator are making is assuming these people are republicans. Trump and his flunkies are not republicans. They have no political ideology. Trump's only goal is to benefit Trump, and the only goal of people like Lin Wood is to keep him in power for as long as possible so they advantage of his position for their benefit. If holding the republican party hostage suits that goal, so be it. 

Identifying as republican was a means to an end. If Trump believed it was in his personal interest, he'd be waving rainbow flags, calling for free college, signing executive orders to ban assault rifles, etc. If he thought being a liberal was the way to power, he'd make Bernie Sanders look like Rand Paul.

What better personification for the Republican party could there really be? 



sundin13 said:
JWeinCom said:

The mistake you and the the video's creator are making is assuming these people are republicans. Trump and his flunkies are not republicans. They have no political ideology. Trump's only goal is to benefit Trump, and the only goal of people like Lin Wood is to keep him in power for as long as possible so they advantage of his position for their benefit. If holding the republican party hostage suits that goal, so be it. 

Identifying as republican was a means to an end. If Trump believed it was in his personal interest, he'd be waving rainbow flags, calling for free college, signing executive orders to ban assault rifles, etc. If he thought being a liberal was the way to power, he'd make Bernie Sanders look like Rand Paul.

What better personification for the Republican party could there really be? 

I dunno... I feel that there are or at least were some republicans who genuinely thought what they were doing was best for the country.



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JWeinCom said:
sundin13 said:

What better personification for the Republican party could there really be? 

I dunno... I feel that there are or at least were some republicans who genuinely thought what they were doing was best for the country.

Maybe in the past tense. Now, at least on the federal level, I have my doubts.



sundin13 said:
JWeinCom said:

I dunno... I feel that there are or at least were some republicans who genuinely thought what they were doing was best for the country.

Maybe in the past tense. Now, at least on the federal level, I have my doubts.

Maybe I'm naive, but I think most people in the government genuinely want to help people. I think there are republicans who genuinely believe that lower taxes are beneficial to society, abortion is wrong, government regulation is bad, and the right to own guns is important. I'm not saying I agree with these things, but they're not absurd positions to hold. And they saw Trump as a means to an ends. But, then they had to accept and endorse all of the batshit crazy things that came along with it. And, since nobody wants to believe they're supporting a demented wannabe fascist, they started rationalizing. 

It's like in Captain America: Winter Soldier. S.H.I.E.L.D. recognized the value of Hydra and what they could do. They thought they could use Hydra, but realized too late that Hydra was using them. 

It will be interesting to see what happens with the Republican party. Trump is trying to use his cult to hold them hostage, which is what he's doing in Georgia. With the runoffs happening so soon, they can't afford to openly oppose him right now. But after that... They have two years to try and separate themselves from him. I don't think they can win in 2022 and 2024 with him commanding half the party. How they fight that, I dunno. 



sundin13 said:
JWeinCom said:

I dunno... I feel that there are or at least were some republicans who genuinely thought what they were doing was best for the country.

Maybe in the past tense. Now, at least on the federal level, I have my doubts.

There still are, but few have the clout and cojones to stand up to Trump and his cronies. Bill Weld for instance, who tried to run against Trump in the primaries, or Mitt Romney. And also those who are behind the Lincoln Project.

But yeah, they are much more the exception than they are the rule. Just look at the former NeverTrumper Lindsey Graham. He's so turncoat he would even make former Stasi agents blush.



The fact that the vast majority of Republicans are complicit to Trump proves that they really have no values. At least no values that extend beyond themselves.



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vivster said:

The fact that the vast majority of Republicans are complicit to Trump proves that they really have no values. At least no values that extend beyond themselves.

No they still have values, but politics has never really been about values more than it has been about power.  Currently Trump holds the power because love him or hate him he still got 74 million votes.  That means he can still be a pain in their buts for years and if he can create a platform to try and remain relevant then he will cause a nice split within the party that is not going to be good overall.  Its not a bad plan on Trump end and as I would say at least it appears he is playing the long game.  He will continue to fleece his supporters, probably talk about a run towards 2024.  Have some fundraisers that will net a lot of cash and then do nothing.  All the while he holds the GOP hostage as long as he can prove he still have a loyal base.  I was wondering what his long term plan was with the fraud case and stringing thing outs but as things continue and him raking in millions, its obvious what his plans are.  I doubt he will run in 2024 but he will try to rake in as much money as he possible can between that time.  Hell, he probably have a lot of lawsuits to settle and it will cost some money.