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Zoombael said:
IvorEvilen said:
Zoombael said:

America Uncovered gives a nice overview regarding voter fraud. Interesting to watch.

https://youtu.be/pEslMIlbAi8

Evidence shmevidence, right? But with the behavior displayed by the left side of politics i have no barrier left in my mind to believe they'd be capable of doing exactly that.

I nice follow up video gives some more examples of the fascist leftism running rampant almost unhindered. So much for "time for healing". Happy Hypocrites.

https://youtu.be/q2fDsam9-Pw

Isn't it a forum faux pas to post a link to a long video with little to no context?

I watched the first few minutes, and it just made me think of this Simpson's quote:

https://youtu.be/mtfToHhv1KU

Evidence must be admissible in court.  That's why the media can say "there is no evidence" and Trump's lawyers must say "we have no evidence".  If the evidence isn't admissible in court, practically speaking, there is no evidence.

Regarding AOC, as far as I'm concerned, if someone openly attacks their opponents as much as Trump has, its open season for retaliation.  Trump and conservatives have routinely attacked AOC.  It's not hypocracy.  It's called having a spine.

Spineless extremists having a spine? Ha!

https://www.newsweek.com/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-trish-regan-venezuela-nicolas-maduro-juan-guaido-bob-1349117?amp=1

Maduro had proven by that point that he was very bad for his own people. In what world is supporting people spineless? This is what she and other true leftists are all about ffs! And she, among other severely criticized what Trump did after that, that is, putting severe sanctions on the country which hit almost exclusively the people living there, but barely scratch the ones in power. That's not helping, that's just making it worse for Venezuelans. If you want to remove someone from power, do it without causing lots of suffering for the general population, but that was something Trump didn't care about.

Oh, and speaking about having no spine, how about the republicans when it comes to deficit, for instance? They even openly admit that they only care about it when a democrat is in charge but don't mind blowing it up like nothing else when they're in power:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmKxPZP0Ghs

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Now that we got projections for every state looking at FiveThirtyEight Predictions before the election while the margins might of been off in some states there really was only two states that they had leaning toward Biden that went to Trump which was Florida and North Carolina.  There 2 tossup was split between Biden and Trump so all things consider missing on 2 states not that horrible.



Cyran said:

Now that we got projections for every state looking at FiveThirtyEight Predictions before the election while the margins might of been off in some states there really was only two states that they had leaning toward Biden that went to Trump which was Florida and North Carolina.  There 2 tossup was split between Biden and Trump so all things consider missing on 2 states not that horrible.

This may change, but this is my comparison of 538 polls with current results (courtesy of NYT):

ResultPollsDifference
Alaska-11.8-7.74.1
Arizona0.32.62.3
Colorado13.512.5-1
Florida-3.42.55.9
Georgia0.31.20.9
Indiana-16.1-10.85.3
Iowa-8.2-1.36.9
Kansas-15.2-12.92.3
Maine10133
Maine 2-6.72.89.5
Michigan2.67.95.3
Minnesota7.19.22.1
Montana-16.3-4.411.9
Nebraska 26.63.8-2.8
Nevada2.75.32.6
New Hamp7.311.13.8
N Carolina-1.41.83.2
Ohio-8.1-0.87.3
Pennsylvania0.94.73.8
S Carolina-11.7-7.14.6
Texas-5.7-1.14.6
Utah-20.2-9.810.4
Virginia10.111.81.7
Wisconsin0.68.47.8
Average4.40

Positive numbers indicate a Dem lean, so on average, polls leaned about 4.4 points to the left. A lot of polls in key states like Georgia and Arizona were pretty dead on, but there were some pretty big misses in the Midwest voting block like Michigan and Wisconsin. I still don't understand how they were so close with Wisconsin and even Pennsylvania, but so far from Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio and Indiana...

That said, everything really falls apart when you start looking at congress polls. Those were...woof.



sundin13 said:
Cyran said:

Now that we got projections for every state looking at FiveThirtyEight Predictions before the election while the margins might of been off in some states there really was only two states that they had leaning toward Biden that went to Trump which was Florida and North Carolina.  There 2 tossup was split between Biden and Trump so all things consider missing on 2 states not that horrible.

This may change, but this is my comparison of 538 polls with current results (courtesy of NYT):

ResultPollsDifference
Alaska-11.8-7.74.1
Arizona0.32.62.3
Colorado13.512.5-1
Florida-3.42.55.9
Georgia0.31.20.9
Indiana-16.1-10.85.3
Iowa-8.2-1.36.9
Kansas-15.2-12.92.3
Maine10133
Maine 2-6.72.89.5
Michigan2.67.95.3
Minnesota7.19.22.1
Montana-16.3-4.411.9
Nebraska 26.63.8-2.8
Nevada2.75.32.6
New Hamp7.311.13.8
N Carolina-1.41.83.2
Ohio-8.1-0.87.3
Pennsylvania0.94.73.8
S Carolina-11.7-7.14.6
Texas-5.7-1.14.6
Utah-20.2-9.810.4
Virginia10.111.81.7
Wisconsin0.68.47.8
Average4.40

Positive numbers indicate a Dem lean, so on average, polls leaned about 4.4 points to the left. A lot of polls in key states like Georgia and Arizona were pretty dead on, but there were some pretty big misses in the Midwest voting block like Michigan and Wisconsin. I still don't understand how they were so close with Wisconsin and even Pennsylvania, but so far from Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio and Indiana...

That said, everything really falls apart when you start looking at congress polls. Those were...woof.

On the Presidential things were decent except for the national average and the midwest/rustbelt. The national numbers may drift up a bit as the last votes trickle in, and get to within the margin of error. But pollsters got to figure out how the fucked up the same region so badly twice.

On the plus side for them, they at least accurately captured the fact that Biden would outperform Clinton in those states. I've said (or rather repeated others saying it) for a while that even with a 2020 sized polling error, Biden would still win those states. Granted, I didn't expect those errors to actually happen...



Trump is saying via twitter how he won everything by a lot and how there are millions of switched votes. Meanwhile courts are throwing out all of the cases. I haven't seen the rationale for that yet. I'm gonna assume they will just continue to claim they have evidence and ignore that none of their claims actually go through in court so that their followers don't even start to think about why it happens. You could go into a Trump supporter's house and claim that an illegal immigrant stole 10 million dollars out of their safe. They would believe every word despite never having had that much money or a safe. Planting false memories in people's brains is quite efficient when you just tell them over and over again.

In a few months from now when all court cases have failed and Biden is President they will just remember the word fraud.



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vivster said:

Trump is saying via twitter how he won everything by a lot and how there are millions of switched votes. Meanwhile courts are throwing out all of the cases. I haven't seen the rationale for that yet. I'm gonna assume they will just continue to claim they have evidence and ignore that none of their claims actually go through in court so that their followers don't even start to think about why it happens. You could go into a Trump supporter's house and claim that an illegal immigrant stole 10 million dollars out of their safe. They would believe every word despite never having had that much money or a safe. Planting false memories in people's brains is quite efficient when you just tell them over and over again.

In a few months from now when all court cases have failed and Biden is President they will just remember the word fraud.

An 'insider' on InfoWars 'predicted' some of the recent admin changes weeks ago and also 'predicted' just days after the election, that Trump would tweet something out approximately 10 days after election day that would be the true major fraud Trumps going after. He was right about the admin changes and was right about Trumps tweet yesterday. Is the info in that tweet legit or BS though?

Whether or not that tweet is backed by legit evidence or not who knows exactly? What I've seen, is that the day before Trump tweeted that, a list of around 25 states that use those same voting machines was being spread around the net. Pennsylvania was at the top, and Trumps numbers match the numbers on that list. 

If that list of flipped votes and deducted votes is legit, Trump actually won the election in the first place. The states that the list would give Trump the win are Pennsylvania, Georgia, and Virginia. Georgia by like 30,000 votes or so I think. The other two would be hundreds of thousands of votes and higher yet.

The list even says just under 5,000 votes flipped in Arizona, which Trump is behind by about 10,000 right now by the looks of it. The rest of the numbers aren't enough to give Trump anymore wins in anymore states from what I can tell.

Maybe it's true, maybe not. I have not idea. If it's BS, then WTF Trump? If it's legit, sh*ts gunna hit the fan.



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EricHiggin said:
vivster said:

Trump is saying via twitter how he won everything by a lot and how there are millions of switched votes. Meanwhile courts are throwing out all of the cases. I haven't seen the rationale for that yet. I'm gonna assume they will just continue to claim they have evidence and ignore that none of their claims actually go through in court so that their followers don't even start to think about why it happens. You could go into a Trump supporter's house and claim that an illegal immigrant stole 10 million dollars out of their safe. They would believe every word despite never having had that much money or a safe. Planting false memories in people's brains is quite efficient when you just tell them over and over again.

In a few months from now when all court cases have failed and Biden is President they will just remember the word fraud.

An 'insider' on InfoWars 'predicted' some of the recent admin changes weeks ago and also 'predicted' just days after the election, that Trump would tweet something out approximately 10 days after election day that would be the true major fraud Trumps going after. He was right about the admin changes and was right about Trumps tweet yesterday. Is the info in that tweet legit or BS though?

Whether or not that tweet is backed by legit evidence or not who knows exactly? What I've seen, is that the day before Trump tweeted that, a list of around 25 states that use those same voting machines was being spread around the net. Pennsylvania was at the top, and Trumps numbers match the numbers on that list. 

If that list of flipped votes and deducted votes is legit, Trump actually won the election in the first place. The states that the list would give Trump the win are Pennsylvania, Georgia, and Virginia. Georgia by like 30,000 votes or so I think. The other two would be hundreds of thousands of votes and higher yet.

The list even says just under 5,000 votes flipped in Arizona, which Trump is behind by about 10,000 right now by the looks of it. The rest of the numbers aren't enough to give Trump anymore wins in anymore states from what I can tell.

Maybe it's true, maybe not. I have not idea. If it's BS, then WTF Trump? If it's legit, sh*ts gunna hit the fan.

Occam's razor is our best friend. Is the known pathological liar lying or is there a coordinated effort(or random malfunction) across multiple swing states that rigged the election?

Please don't pose that question as if each possible outcome is just as likely. That's what propagandists do.



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EricHiggin said:

Maybe it's true, maybe not. I have not idea. If it's BS, then WTF Trump? If it's legit, sh*ts gunna hit the fan.

As they say, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Also as they say, fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me thousands of times over the course of four years and perhaps I should have stopped believing those extraordinary claims years ago and the fact that I am still reacting to them like "Wait a minute, let's hear him out. Maybe he's onto something" with no solid evidence and with his own Federal Government stating that there is no evidence of deleted or switched votes, should tell you a lot about how much I am willing to believe to support my biases. 

They say that, right?



sundin13 said:
EricHiggin said:

Maybe it's true, maybe not. I have not idea. If it's BS, then WTF Trump? If it's legit, sh*ts gunna hit the fan.

As they say, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Also as they say, fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me thousands of times over the course of four years and perhaps I should have stopped believing those extraordinary claims years ago and the fact that I am still reacting to them like "Wait a minute, let's hear him out. Maybe he's onto something" with no solid evidence and with his own Federal Government stating that there is no evidence of deleted or switched votes, should tell you a lot about how much I am willing to believe to support my biases. 

They say that, right?

I'm not saying Trump is lying, I'm just saying that there is a wikipedia article dedicated to the veracity of Trump's statements.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veracity_of_statements_by_Donald_Trump



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vivster said:
EricHiggin said:

An 'insider' on InfoWars 'predicted' some of the recent admin changes weeks ago and also 'predicted' just days after the election, that Trump would tweet something out approximately 10 days after election day that would be the true major fraud Trumps going after. He was right about the admin changes and was right about Trumps tweet yesterday. Is the info in that tweet legit or BS though?

Whether or not that tweet is backed by legit evidence or not who knows exactly? What I've seen, is that the day before Trump tweeted that, a list of around 25 states that use those same voting machines was being spread around the net. Pennsylvania was at the top, and Trumps numbers match the numbers on that list. 

If that list of flipped votes and deducted votes is legit, Trump actually won the election in the first place. The states that the list would give Trump the win are Pennsylvania, Georgia, and Virginia. Georgia by like 30,000 votes or so I think. The other two would be hundreds of thousands of votes and higher yet.

The list even says just under 5,000 votes flipped in Arizona, which Trump is behind by about 10,000 right now by the looks of it. The rest of the numbers aren't enough to give Trump anymore wins in anymore states from what I can tell.

Maybe it's true, maybe not. I have not idea. If it's BS, then WTF Trump? If it's legit, sh*ts gunna hit the fan.

Occam's razor is our best friend. Is the known pathological liar lying or is there a coordinated effort(or random malfunction) across multiple swing states that rigged the election?

Please don't pose that question as if each possible outcome is just as likely. That's what propagandists do.

sundin13 said:
EricHiggin said:

Maybe it's true, maybe not. I have not idea. If it's BS, then WTF Trump? If it's legit, sh*ts gunna hit the fan.

As they say, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Also as they say, fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me thousands of times over the course of four years and perhaps I should have stopped believing those extraordinary claims years ago and the fact that I am still reacting to them like "Wait a minute, let's hear him out. Maybe he's onto something" with no solid evidence and with his own Federal Government stating that there is no evidence of deleted or switched votes, should tell you a lot about how much I am willing to believe to support my biases. 

They say that, right?

The list covers around 25 states, not just the swing states, and only a couple of them showed no flips or deductions. The rest did to some degree. Some a lot, some very minor. Why did a few not flip any votes? That does seem odd if the rest did, even in locked down states that were never going to flip red to blue or vice versa.

As I said prior, I've got no idea. I don't necessarily think it's legit or not. I'm just telling you what I've seen.



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