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SecondWar said:
Barozi said:

How do you get exactly 270?

Have the two winners of the congressional district in Maine already been added to Biden's total?

Just thinking, if Biden (or Trump) do finish on exactly 270 this will really bring the role of faithless electors into focus. I don't believe they've ever had the chance to alter the result before. Imagine the fallout if they did.

I remember some Clinton supporters tried to get them to do this in 2016. As much as I don't like Trump, it is for the best that this didn't work.

Isn't there a new law about this issue? I remember reading that they would suffer legal consequences if they don't vote accordingly.



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Phew, Tried to avoid this thread, because after Florida was called, and NC and Georgia stopped updating it was clear that this was the kind of thing we were going to see. It would be a matter of how big the mail in advantage was for Biden. And it seems that it's large enough.

I'm fairly confident that Biden will win. Not the kind of win I was hoping for, but relatively in line with how polling predicted. Trump did indeed outperform in the rust belt again (by how much depends on the final margins) but I've pointed out a bunch of times that it would take a larger error than 2016 for Trump to have a chance.

Nevada is done. Mail in vote has heavily skewed towards Biden, and mail is all that's left, mainly in the most heavily democratic county there.

Arizona seems safe. A five point lead there is big, considering where the remaining votes are. I'm not sure if they're mail in or in person vote, but I don't know if it matters. Trump did indeed dominate the day of voting, but not to the extent Biden did in mail in. I just don't see 100K votes.

It seems like Wisconsin is still doing mail in, and Biden's lead has been growing. It's unlikely the last 3% or so of the vote will change things. Michigan has mostly mail in left in deep blue areas. Particularly Detroit. As I type this Biden has taken the lead.

North Carolina is still a possibility. Not a strong one, but not impossible. Should finish within 1%. Georgia's remaining vote is mainly absentee in, and the margin there favors Biden. Enough to make up 100Kish votes? I dunno, but it will be within 1% as well. Very nice numbers for Democrats in those states, which help soften the blow of what happened in Florida.

Pennsylvania is iffy. I don't have enough sleep to do the math. But it's still quite possible, especially because they can keep accepting ballots for a few days if they were postmarked before the election.

It's looking good. Not as good as I predicted or wanted, but a win is a win.



Barozi said:
SecondWar said:

Just thinking, if Biden (or Trump) do finish on exactly 270 this will really bring the role of faithless electors into focus. I don't believe they've ever had the chance to alter the result before. Imagine the fallout if they did.

I remember some Clinton supporters tried to get them to do this in 2016. As much as I don't like Trump, it is for the best that this didn't work.

Isn't there a new law about this issue? I remember reading that they would suffer legal consequences if they don't vote accordingly.

I think some states have banned faithless electors, binding them to the candidate they are pledged to, but not all.



gergroy said:
jason1637 said:
Of the Republican and Democratic vote popular vote margins are currently.
President: Biden:50.1% Trump 48.2% biden is up 2.6m votes.
House R: 49.4% D:49.2% Republicans up by around 260k votes.

The polls were definitely off. Most were showing these to be 5-10 point races.

Basically means nobody is gonna trust polls for a long time if ever after this...

The pools should be back to normal on next elections as the impact of people not wanting to declare voting for the Republicans must be much lower than this time, although we never know what may happen 4 years down the road. Despite that, the shaming of conservative voices will always create a little bit of impact, as you can see with brexit and the latest UK elections.



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There is a positive note for Republicans no matter the outcome. If Biden wins, which will be extremely close, then the next election will be guaranteed a Republican win.



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forest-spirit said:

Michigan flipped in favour of Biden, and the gap in Pennsylvania is now below 600k. There's still hope!

Hope for the man who had ties with Herman Talmadge, James Eastland AND Strom Thurmond?  Why is no one talking about this???

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/biden-cites-segregationist-senators-he-recalls-past-civility-senate-n1019211

As if it wasn't in plain sight.

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JWeinCom said:
Phew, Tried to avoid this thread, because after Florida was called, and NC and Georgia stopped updating it was clear that this was the kind of thing we were going to see. It would be a matter of how big the mail in advantage was for Biden. And it seems that it's large enough.

I'm fairly confident that Biden will win. Not the kind of win I was hoping for, but relatively in line with how polling predicted. Trump did indeed outperform in the rust belt again (by how much depends on the final margins) but I've pointed out a bunch of times that it would take a larger error than 2016 for Trump to have a chance.

Nevada is done. Mail in vote has heavily skewed towards Biden, and mail is all that's left, mainly in the most heavily democratic county there.

Arizona seems safe. A five point lead there is big, considering where the remaining votes are. I'm not sure if they're mail in or in person vote, but I don't know if it matters. Trump did indeed dominate the day of voting, but not to the extent Biden did in mail in. I just don't see 100K votes.

It seems like Wisconsin is still doing mail in, and Biden's lead has been growing. It's unlikely the last 3% or so of the vote will change things. Michigan has mostly mail in left in deep blue areas. Particularly Detroit. As I type this Biden has taken the lead.

North Carolina is still a possibility. Not a strong one, but not impossible. Should finish within 1%. Georgia's remaining vote is mainly absentee in, and the margin there favors Biden. Enough to make up 100Kish votes? I dunno, but it will be within 1% as well. Very nice numbers for Democrats in those states, which help soften the blow of what happened in Florida.

Pennsylvania is iffy. I don't have enough sleep to do the math. But it's still quite possible, especially because they can keep accepting ballots for a few days if they were postmarked before the election.

It's looking good. Not as good as I predicted or wanted, but a win is a win.

I wish I had your confidence. At this point I am expecting polling places set on fire to destroy the remaining votes.



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jason1637 said:
Of the Republican and Democratic vote popular vote margins are currently.
President: Biden:50.1% Trump 48.2% biden is up 2.6m votes.
House R: 49.4% D:49.2% Republicans up by around 260k votes.

The polls were definitely off. Most were showing these to be 5-10 point races.

Wait till all the votes come in...

We're missing 25% of Cali, and 14% of NY. I believe that's all mail in which skews heavily democrat. Also about 14% in Virginia which will skew democrat. 35% of NJ left, all mail in likely to be heavily democratic. Even in republican states, if the remaining vote is mail in, it will likely shift democratic. 

So, the national margin is going to shift quite a bit towards Biden. Unlikely it will get to 10, but pretty likely to finish at above 5, which would be within the margin of error.



vivster said:
There is a positive note for Republicans no matter the outcome. If Biden wins, which will be extremely close, then the next election will be guaranteed a Republican win.

Unless this is a 1960 - 1964 situation. Or 2000 - 2004. Hispanics seem to love incumbents for some weird reason.

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