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RolStoppable said:
javi741 said:
Guys this is fucking ridiculous, now it's rumored that there won't be any first party announcement on the 28th or let alone this week, as the Direct Mini Partner Showcase was the direct that was rumored the entire time for this week.

Guys, we need to make sure that Nintendo knows that they should never do this bullshit ever again, where they unveil their Holiday Titles in FUCKING SEPTEMBER, this is completely unacceptable and stupid on their part. They're literally shooting themselves in the foot not marketing these game long enough and not getting us excited for the future to continue to stay engaged with Nintendo. Nintendo is literally making crazy fans make threats towards other people over this, and they literally do not care. I'm so fucking done with their ignorant ass mindset.

And to those people that say this is fine and I need to calm down and I'm expecting too much: FUCK OFF! DONT TELL ME OR OTHERS HOW TO ACT

We have every single right to complain, and Nintendo does owe us something because we're the ones that keep them alive.

Plus, to those people who hate us complaining. Why does it benefit you that Nintendo doesn't reveal anything that's 1-2 from release? Why are you guys trying so hard to stop us from complaining. What could you possibly gain from Nintendo not unveiling anything.

It's because we are old. We are long past the point of getting hyped for anything that is more than two months away from release, that's why late announcements don't bother us. Games we can play right now have much higher priority than talking about games that get released in the future.

What we gain from this situation is entertainment value from posts such as yours. The outrage and subsequent defense for the outrage is a sight to behold. Many of the arguments resemble the time before Switch launched, such as two months aren't enough time to properly market a new console. But Nintendo waited until less than two months before launch with their proper presentation for Switch and that didn't hurt them.

The reason why the current waiting game won't hurt Nintendo either is because there are 20+ new game releases for Switch each and every week. People who want to stay engaged with Switch can choose from hundreds of quality games and there's something new all the time.

That being said, Nintendo's current strategy is less than ideal. But there's a difference between being able to do better and messing things up. There's also a difference between subjective and objective complaints which is why you and others get ridiculed; any attempts to qualify the complaints as objective usually fall flat on their face instantly.

I totally agree with all of this.

I just want to add that for me personally, I don't particularly look forward to games made by Nintendo more than third party games.  The only Nintendo made game that I've really loved on the Switch is Breath of the Wild.  I own several other first party games, which are decent fun, but I could have easily passed on them too.  All of my other top Switch games were made by other developers (although they might use Nintendo IP): Puyo Puyo Tetris, Axiom Verge, Cadence of Hyrule, Wargroove, etc....  Right now I'm playing West of Loathing and I'm really enjoying it.

This is just another of the many reasons why this thread is silly.  There are a lot of fun games out there that are not being made by Nintendo, but there are posters who don't seem to count those at all.  For some reason, only Nintendo games count.



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I think the reason that Nintendo hasnt showed any games for the holliday its because of the new consoles. MS, Sony and Nintendo are playing the waiting game, Nintendo going against two new consoles doesn't want the games to get lost on the hype of MS and Sony. If the consoles disappoint because of price or launch lineup Nintendo can win the hollidays with one or two good games. and having two months to still market the games they have more than enough time ( I am hopeful this is the case).



rcolinas said:
I think the reason that Nintendo hasnt showed any games for the holliday its because of the new consoles. MS, Sony and Nintendo are playing the waiting game, Nintendo going against two new consoles doesn't want the games to get lost on the hype of MS and Sony. If the consoles disappoint because of price or launch lineup Nintendo can win the hollidays with one or two good games. and having two months to still market the games they have more than enough time ( I am hopeful this is the case).

In therms of software sales Swith will destroy PS5 and XBX this holiday. PS4 and Xbone will too, it's just that their installment base is much bigger to not sell more games 

Next year is where Nintendo has some risk of losing market share which I doubt it will anyway, I bet 2021 will sell as much software as 2020 if not more 



Wman1996 said:
It's still amazing to me that the richest company in Japan keeps its consumers so in the dark. But I guess that's why they do it. They can sit on a mountain of money and continue adding to the pile in most circumstances.
Switch's 2017, while not near-perfect like some claim, was still fantastic. And that is even when you count only the calendar year of 2017 from March 3 to December 31. No year since has matched, but 2019 came closer than any so far. Apparently, COVID-19 has not impacted Nintendo software development. If that's true, I can't believe 2020 is like this so far. 2021 better be a fantastic year for the Switch in terms of hardware availability, first-party games, and third-party games.

2019 > 2017 



I totally agree with you that they are going to crush the new consoles on software sales. They could do it with their current lineup. But the holiday season also pushes a lot of consoles. If they don't announce anything for the holiday season they could lose the console sales to the new consoles if prices and the lineup is reasonable of MS and Sony. They have to make sure they have a good AAA to help them win the season, all this if they can keep up with the demand of consoles. If there is a shortage of consoles maybe they use AA-AAA game for the holiday season and that would be disappointing.



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rcolinas said:

I totally agree with you that they are going to crush the new consoles on software sales. They could do it with their current lineup. But the holiday season also pushes a lot of consoles. If they don't announce anything for the holiday season they could lose the console sales to the new consoles if prices and the lineup is reasonable of MS and Sony. They have to make sure they have a good AAA to help them win the season, all this if they can keep up with the demand of consoles. If there is a shortage of consoles maybe they use AA-AAA game for the holiday season and that would be disappointing.

I don't follow Sony or MS closely but I've seen complaints about lack of big release titles for Series X



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Jumpin said:
curl-6 said:

New software announcements increases interest in the hardware, more hardware sales means more people to buy existing games. The idea that updating consumers on future games would hurt sales of existing games is pure bullshit.

Again, I don't give a fuck if they're selling well, that is happening in spite of their ongoing disgusting mistreatment of their fanbase, not because of it. There is zero evidence whatsoever that their lack of communication is in any way helping.

I've been a Nintendo fan for decades and this is the worst they've ever behaved, worse than 2011, worse than 2012, worse than 2016 even. It is fucking unacceptable to leave fans with no dated major games at all.

If you're okay with it, fine, but don't you dare try to tell me I should be okay with it.

In fact, just please stop quoting me, I'm tired of this shit. I'm trying not to be negative, but I just keep getting dragged back into threads like this. I'm depressed, I'm afraid for my life every day, and now I can't even enjoy my favourite hobby, one of the only things that brings me any peace or joy. Just leave me alone, please.

I’ll respond to whoever I want. That’s the point of a discussion forum. You can ignore me if you want, but I am under no obligation to do the same when you’ve provided me something to respond to. Also, you’re the one being overly hostile to me for no reason, but treating me as though it is the other way around.

Dismissing the evidence in my post as “it’s happening in spite of that, I don’t care about the facts, and therefore you have no evidence, and therefore the opposite of what you’re saying is true” is not a valid argument in the slightest.

You are acting like Nintendo owes you some specific kind of marketing strategy that goes against their business goals. The point of the marketing is to generate the most interest in products for the launch period and beyond, that is all Nintendo has to do. Unless you’re an investor, there is absolutely nothing that obligates Nintendo to provide you their future plans. You are a customer, what is relevant is what is available for you to buy. The reality is that you do have things to look forward to, there is no reason for you to know your Christmas presents before Christmas Day in order to look forward to Christmas.

Also, your opinion of “Nintendo is more terrible than ever” doesn’t have objective validity. At best you can say you don’t like what Nintendo is doing. All you’ve really shown is that what you think is terrible for Nintendo is actually GREAT for for Nintendo’s business - that’s where the facts point; and you can’t simply prove the opposite by saying “they’re good in spite of that and the results don’t matter” - that would be literally circular illogic.

I’ll point out that you have a long history of saying that what Nintendo is doing with the Switch is terrible for business, and  that dates back to before the Switch launch. This is where the contention lies, because I wholeheartedly disagree with you on that. As it happens, the facts support my stance and not yours. That Nintendo’s approach in the Kimishima/Furukawa era have been the best they’ve had: platform specific sales are higher than ever, they recovered from one of their lowest ever periods in the Wii U/3DS era; the stock values are on a stable upward trend and are higher than every period outside of September 2007 to January 2008; and, it’s not simply a COVID thing since Nintendo’s sales were already trending here long before COVID with the quarter just prior to the pandemic lockdowns being 97% of record levels for any Nintendo platform, ever.

There are two choices here:

1. Provide evidence to explain the discrepancy between what you think should be happening with the Switch, and the reality of what has happened with the Switch.

2. Accept the facts and face reality as the result of Nintendo’s current marketing strategy.

Before you do that, you should also understand that you are letting your feelings get in the way of your objectivity and therefore generating a huge bias. As a result, you are making baseless statements about Nintendo as a whole as though they are objectively doing something terrible.

Also, you have my sympathies for depression, but I don’t think it’s fair to throw that in my face to support your arguments about Nintendo’s marketing practices. My posts are about the topic, they’re not about you and your problems.

Whilst i won't argue that your points are without merit, i feel the way you have gone about it is no better than a schoolyard bully. Please, at least in this situation, show a little empathy.



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Marth said:


Finally happy now? lol

Errr

Not really

Actually disliked it. Fingers crossed for something better in November 



Marth said:


Finally happy now? lol

No. But that has nothing to do with Nintendo...



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