EricHiggin said:
I wonder if there's an Intrinsic type user on a healthcare/medical site who had the same level of foresight? If only more people listened to both. |
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EricHiggin said:
I wonder if there's an Intrinsic type user on a healthcare/medical site who had the same level of foresight? If only more people listened to both. |
Chrkeller said:
By running out of storage space almost immediately after launch? |
Intrinsic said:
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Intrinsic said:
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Yep, which concerns me greatly. Especially given online play isn't free. These super fancy fast drives sound great, but could jack the cost of the console, including what will likely be required upgrades. It wouldn't take me more than a few months to run out of space. I'm not liking what I see next generation. Storage space is going to be a problem.
Intrinsic said:
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Or do what many did back when PS4 launched - 1.84TFLOPS x8 for about the same jump from 7th to 8th gen, not counting architectural improvements.
Sad thing is, XSX and PS5 achieve this only after taking architectural imrpovements into account, and all that while having to handle 1.78x more pixels, if devs are crazy enough to chase 4K native.
Chrkeller said:
Yep, which concerns me greatly. Especially given online play isn't free. These super fancy fast drives sound great, but could jack the cost of the console, including what will likely be required upgrades. It wouldn't take me more than a few months to run out of space. I'm not liking what I see next generation. Storage space is going to be a problem. |
I really don't see what the issue is; I expect these consoles to be able to have at least 8 games installed to their internal drives. Not every games a 100GB+ game.
But more so, even if given the option to buy some sort of compatible SSD expansion drive... I wouldn't. I find that to be a waste of money. Why should I spend $100+ on some sort of compatible 1TB drive (be it XSX proprietary drive or a 7GB/s NVMe off the shelf drive), when I can buy this 2TB drive for $65 or this 4TB drive for $94
I mean yes, I would've to be doing some house management, but copying to ad from an external drive is a lot faster than redownloading data or reinstalling from the bluray drive.
I would probably only need to moe things to the external drive like 2- 3 ties a year anyways. And I am likely to go for the 4TB drive because that at least allows me to have a good amount of selected PS4 titles from my current library on there and it least with that games I can play them off the external drive.
HoloDust said:
Or do what many did back when PS4 launched - 1.84TFLOPS x8 for about the same jump from 7th to 8th gen, not counting architectural improvements. Sad thing is, XSX and PS5 achieve this only after taking architectural imrpovements into account, and all that while having to handle 1.78x more pixels, if devs are crazy enough to chase 4K native. |
The issue is that there is a lot of generalization going around and people don't really take what these machines actually do need into consideration. Lets paint a cerian picture.
Ihave edited my originalpost to give a more accurate depiction of what really happens.
PS4 running game at 1080p@30fps. 33ms render time with its 1.8TF. Going by steps.
Now not everything scales with resolution. But for certain is that if you double the rez, and this gets a little tricky. Say you want to g from 2Mpx (1080P) to 4M px.
Now you want to bump up to 8M px(native 4k). You need another 30% bump to your CPU and another 100% bump to your GPU bringing your GPU TF to around 7.2TF.
But he CPU and GPU in the PS5/XSX is significantly more powerful (or efficient) that whats in the PS4. The CPU is like at least 400% better, and the GPU TF is at least 65$ better.
So the PS5/XSX would need around 3TF to render that same game at native 4K@30fps and around 6TF to do it at 60fps.
Last edited by Intrinsic - on 25 March 2020The storage space is not ideal but its also super trivial.
How many games do you guys play at a time, 10? Especially when you take into account the the biggest games are normally single player campaigns, I think its fine. Games like COD have yearly replacements, and games like Read Dead Redemption come around once every 5 years. Plenty of games are also tiny, the average size of a game this gen is way closer to 40GB then it is to 100GB. Next gen I think we will see sizes vary drastically & the average being around 80GB and the max being 200GB in extremely rare blockbuster instances.
Either way it will not be a problem, just as 500GB was not a problem this gen.
Intrinsic said:
I really don't see what the issue is; I expect these consoles to be able to have at least 8 games installed to their internal drives. Not every games a 100GB+ game. But more so, even if given the option to buy some sort of compatible SSD expansion drive... I wouldn't. I find that to be a waste of money. Why should I spend $100+ on some sort of compatible 1TB drive (be it XSX proprietary drive or a 7GB/s NVMe off the shelf drive), when I can buy this 2TB drive for $65 or this 4TB drive for $94 I mean yes, I would've to be doing some house management, but copying to ad from an external drive is a lot faster than redownloading data or reinstalling from the bluray drive. I would probably only need to moe things to the external drive like 2- 3 ties a year anyways. And I am likely to go for the 4TB drive because that at least allows me to have a good amount of selected PS4 titles from my current library on there and it least with that games I can play them off the external drive. |
It all depends on how it works. If I can load up an external HDD with game, leave the internal storage empty, have games automatically transfer to the uber fast SSD drive while I play, this would be great. But if I constantly have to install/delete this is a problem and makes me consider PC. Especially since I have kids who will want a certain number of games installed pretty much at all times. Storage could be a major issue with consoles. Not sure I like what I am seeing. I would be curious how well games run from an external standard HDD.
HoloDust said:
Or do what many did back when PS4 launched - 1.84TFLOPS x8 for about the same jump from 7th to 8th gen, not counting architectural improvements. Sad thing is, XSX and PS5 achieve this only after taking architectural imrpovements into account, and all that while having to handle 1.78x more pixels, if devs are crazy enough to chase 4K native. |
Do you really doubt that? .
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