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EricHiggin on 18 March 2020
DonFerrari said:
EricHiggin said:

It seems clear to me that MS is doing everything they can for the most part to offer as many options as possible, for as many circumstances as possible, making them as easy as possible. Based on what I said earlier, if someone's trying to cram in some gaming sessions in short bursts and the transfer time is going to take up too much (we don't know yet), why can't they play from the HDD and just deal with the inferior version for those instances?

Are you sure you read the Wired Article or watched the reveals?

Both platform holders are betting on it being a game changer, 100x faster memory, that will change the whole game development. Just because it have the same name "Fifa 22" let's say doesn't mean it is codded the same. The versions will be essentially different even for the crossgen.

The transfer of a 25Gb game would take couple minutes from HDD to SDD and done once, while the loading of the game or reloads would happen every time so that doesn't seem a good solution. MS is even advising to use the SDD for the BC games to enjoy the improvements of SDD.

I realize that. What about 75-100GB games though when your strapped for time? The experience will be much better if you run it off the SSD, yes. It will also be much better if you buy an XBSX. Is everyone expected to buy an XBSX, or is MS going to continue selling XB1's? My point isn't what's better, it's the options.

It also indirectly ties into XBSX and it's proprietary SSD's, which I also mentioned. Can't run an inferior version of the game off the HDD because we don't want you to? Don't have time to wait for large game transfers? Guess you need to buy some of our (expensive) SSD's then.



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PS3   - #- We must build a console that’s powerful, social, costs and does everything.

PS4   - $- We must build a console that’s affordable, charges for services, and pumps out exclusives.

PRO  -%-We must build a console that's VR ready, checkerboard upscales, and sells but a fraction of the money printer.

PS5   - ^ -We must build a console that’s a generational cross product, with RT lighting, and price hiking.

PRO  -&- We must build a console that Super Res upscales and continues the cost increases.

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DonFerrari on 18 March 2020
EricHiggin said:
DonFerrari said:

Are you sure you read the Wired Article or watched the reveals?

Both platform holders are betting on it being a game changer, 100x faster memory, that will change the whole game development. Just because it have the same name "Fifa 22" let's say doesn't mean it is codded the same. The versions will be essentially different even for the crossgen.

The transfer of a 25Gb game would take couple minutes from HDD to SDD and done once, while the loading of the game or reloads would happen every time so that doesn't seem a good solution. MS is even advising to use the SDD for the BC games to enjoy the improvements of SDD.

I realize that. What about 75-100GB games though when your strapped for time? The experience will be much better if you run it off the SSD, yes. It will also be much better if you buy an XBSX. Is everyone expected to buy an XBSX, or is MS going to continue selling XB1's? My point isn't what's better, it's the options.

It also indirectly ties into MS and their proprietary SSD's, which I also mentioned. Can't run an inferior version of the game off the HDD because we don't want you to? Don't have time to wait for large game transfers? Guess you need to buy some of our (expensive) SSD's then.

Well they are going for the system recognizing what you have and giving the best version possible. So if they wanted they possibly could allow you to instead of run the code for XSX to run the X1X from HDD. For me that doesn't seem a good choice though.

You are just painting a strange scenario where someone is in a tremendous hush that he can't wait for the transfer to SDD but would be fine with several load screens =p



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EricHiggin on 18 March 2020
DonFerrari said:
EricHiggin said:

I realize that. What about 75-100GB games though when your strapped for time? The experience will be much better if you run it off the SSD, yes. It will also be much better if you buy an XBSX. Is everyone expected to buy an XBSX, or is MS going to continue selling XB1's? My point isn't what's better, it's the options.

It also indirectly ties into MS and their proprietary SSD's, which I also mentioned. Can't run an inferior version of the game off the HDD because we don't want you to? Don't have time to wait for large game transfers? Guess you need to buy some of our (expensive) SSD's then.

Well they are going for the system recognizing what you have and giving the best version possible. So if they wanted they possibly could allow you to instead of run the code for XSX to run the X1X from HDD. For me that doesn't seem a good choice though.

You are just painting a strange scenario where someone is in a tremendous hush that he can't wait for the transfer to SDD but would be fine with several load screens =p

It's just something I noticed and are curious about. Wasn't sure if I missed some detail or if it's simply a choice MS has made that goes against options. I'm not saying it's a terrible decision that will sink them or anything like that, but I can't help but wonder if it has to do with their proprietary SSD's and having you buy some instead of a cheap large aftermarket HDD/SSD.

the-pi-guy said:
EricHiggin said:

I don't think you get the point. Is BC easy between XB consoles? Is getting BC games to play off the HDD on the XBSX easy? Is getting next gen XB games to play on last gen hardware easy? Then why not make it so those next gen games, can be played off the HDD on XBSX to save time if you so choose?

I don't actually see why it technically couldn't anyway. If last gen games can be played off an HDD for XBSX, and next gen games will be playable on last gen hardware, why can't those same games play off the HDD on XBSX? Isn't Cyberpunk offering a free upgrade when you go from last gen to next gen?

>next gen games will be playable on last gen hardware

Next gen games aren't going to be playable on last gen hardware.  

There are going to be a lot of cross gen titles for a while.  That doesn't mean they are running the exact same game.  That also doesn't mean that every next gen game will also be on Xbox One.  

Technically some earlier games could be run from a HDD, but there are probably going to be games in the future that won't be able to run off a HDD.  

Well Phil said all games work on all consoles for the first 2 years. I already asked the question of whether or not next gen games meant at launch or 2 years down the road.

If it means down the road when XB1 get's the boot, that's a simple answer that's much more legit.



PS1   - ! - We must build a console that can alert our enemies.

PS2  - @- We must build a console that offers online living room gaming.

PS3   - #- We must build a console that’s powerful, social, costs and does everything.

PS4   - $- We must build a console that’s affordable, charges for services, and pumps out exclusives.

PRO  -%-We must build a console that's VR ready, checkerboard upscales, and sells but a fraction of the money printer.

PS5   - ^ -We must build a console that’s a generational cross product, with RT lighting, and price hiking.

PRO  -&- We must build a console that Super Res upscales and continues the cost increases.

DonFerrari on 19 March 2020
EricHiggin said:
DonFerrari said:

Well they are going for the system recognizing what you have and giving the best version possible. So if they wanted they possibly could allow you to instead of run the code for XSX to run the X1X from HDD. For me that doesn't seem a good choice though.

You are just painting a strange scenario where someone is in a tremendous hush that he can't wait for the transfer to SDD but would be fine with several load screens =p

It's just something I noticed and are curious about. Wasn't sure if I missed some detail or if it's simply a choice MS has made that goes against options. I'm not saying it's a terrible decision that will sink them or anything like that, but I can't help but wonder if it has to do with their proprietary SSD's and having you buy some instead of a cheap large aftermarket HDD/SSD.

the-pi-guy said:

>next gen games will be playable on last gen hardware

Next gen games aren't going to be playable on last gen hardware.  

There are going to be a lot of cross gen titles for a while.  That doesn't mean they are running the exact same game.  That also doesn't mean that every next gen game will also be on Xbox One.  

Technically some earlier games could be run from a HDD, but there are probably going to be games in the future that won't be able to run off a HDD.  

Well Phil said all games work on all consoles for the first 2 years. I already asked the question of whether or not next gen games meant at launch or 2 years down the road.

If it means down the road when XB1 get's the boot, that's a simple answer that's much more legit.

From all I seem just seems like doesn't mater what game it is, if it is for next gen then you need to use SDD because even though it have a X1 version the logic MS implemented is to choose the best version possible.



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http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."