Its CPU + Ram will be the same as that inside the "bigger brother" series X, which will be for 4k.

The point of lockhart, is to make a smaller chip, by cutting down the GPU part.
This means the chip will be cheaper to make (possibly saveing ~100$ or so, in production costs that can then be passed on to consumers).

So its a cheaper console that ll play next gen games, in 1080p.

Just for xCloud streaming. A cheaper replacement cost wise. Depends on if you believe XB1SAD was a bit of a trial run or not. Why buy XB1SAD when XB1S isn't much more and comes with an optical drive? Who doesn't have a little extra for an XB1S, but has plenty for fast, reliable, unlimited internet? I remember reading something about having the console do some of the work because full out streaming over the network wasn't going to lead to worthy results at this point in time. A USB stick doesn't solve that problem.

Consensus or that's what the rumors or leaks suggest?

Why would someone spend $499 on an XBSX for xCloud streaming if they get the same results with a $199 model? The main point by far in the XBSX is to have the power directly under your TV for the very best experience.

What sort of dumb question is that? 

1) Its like selling a Boat to a Motorbike Rider.. Two completely different types of audiences.

2) PC is also majority Digital so the Digital factor means nothing to the masses.

3) A good PC that plays next gen games wouldn't cost $300 dollars. 

4) Console gamers on a budget would consider something cheaper than buying the top end Series X model rumoured to be over $500+.

5) Same argument can be said on why buy a PC if they can buy a Series X for a lot cheaper? Stupid debate.

Any other points you like me to bring up?

Cheers, tbh I haven't been following Xbox news at all so its good to know whats happening now. 

Colteastwood is actually correct on this one. To buy a capable PC running 12TF fully optimised for games with a State of the art SSD drive and motherboard would cost an arm and a leg.

Lets not act like TF mean absolutely nothing, for consoles its a much bigger deal since they are designed to run pedal to the metal so a 12TF console will most likely run better than a 12TF PC.

In saying that, that doesn't mean there are no PCs that are more powerful, of course there is and always will be, however for the price point rumoured to be $600-$700+, its a very capable machine, outperforming majority of PCs that gamers own, even the Xbox One X was outperforming the common gaming PC. My PC cost me $2500 for a 9TF GPU with 8Gigs of GDDR5X, the Series X is running 16Gigs of GDDR6! and it will cost less than half the price of my PC.

Also marketing will always be marketing, console makers always opt for the marketing choices on what is the going hype. Blast Processing, Bit Wars, Emotion Engine, Cell, and now TF. Its nothing new.

I don't think a device just for xCloud streaming is a good idea per se. Makes more sense to just make an apps for existing devices. The best cheap option might just be using a X1 console.

Regardless what X1 hardware you use, it should be fine for xCloud streaming. Even the PS3, Vita and PS TV supported PS Now well.

DigitalFoundry has done theoretical tests showing modern AMD cards can get similar results as their older video cards with a significant disparity in TF. Hence, a newer card clocked at 4TF is getting similar results as an older one clocked at 6TF. It also depends on how the GPU is designed/balanced, the base X1 for example gets great results for only 1.2 TF. Again, I'm no expert but it certainly looks like a 4TF Lockhart could have GPU power at par with X1X.

I never suggested somebody would buy a Series X for xCloud. If you buy a Series X it's because you want the best visual fidelity.

I feel MS's goal should be making the Series S significantly cheaper than PS5. Based on what we're hearing PS5 could be over $399, so $299 would be a good price for Series S.

The only way I can think to keep Series S costs down without making an overly compromised console is lowering GPU power, lower SSD storage and removing the disc drive. MS would likely sell it at a loss, it just becomes a question of how much.

We are also at point where most software sales on consoles are likely digital. So the prospect of an all digital console isn't as bad as it once was.

1) I agree console and PC audiences are different for the most part. I mean why did millions buy Halo:MCC on PC when its been on X1 for years? Clearly there were millions who wanted it on PC or would skip it entirely.

2) Yep, the physical PC games market barely exists. It feel like a novelty when I see the small section of PC games at Walmart.

3) Very much this. Most PC's for $299 or even $499 generally suck for modern gaming. The average gamer is not going to build a PC either.

4) Even if you aren't necessarily on a budget, many rather spend less on a device that plays the same games with good results. I mean PS4 Pro and X1X aren't kinda cheap at this point, but the average person is still buying base hardware because it does the job well enough.

5) People who are argue use a gaming PC instead are out of touch. They are generally more expensive and too complex for the average user.

Ideally they would hit $299 and it would be a great machine sold at a loss.

If its $399, that's potentially still too close to PS5 and not what I would consider a budget machine.

But yeah, its wait and see. I wanna see MS take a risk to boost hardware sales early on.

I don't understand why you guys have difficulty understanding my point, 4 TF next gen hardware is very far from 9TF hardware which is most likely the BASE ps5 which also comes with a 4k bluray drive. You guys keep bringing the X, forget about it, focus on next gen. 4TF will be a laughing joke. The ps4 and xbox one at launch had much less difference in graphics and it was still a laughing joke will all the 1080p vs 900p graphics comparisons. Imagine 4TF vs 9TF, I can't imagine seeing this on the gaming news every day with every single game compared.

You guys keep telling the xbox will also have the X, which is 12 tf, yes, but ps5 will also have a pro version to go against it.