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curl-6 said:
victor83fernandes said:

This is not supposed to be played portable on 6inch screen, you need a big screen. I never ever thought it was messy or cluttered, like at all. This is pure gaming like the old days, you need to focus on the game at all times, no half hour movies in it. Its more for the older gamers, not the new gamers who are used to easy point and shoot stuff.

On the other hand it might get cluttered on these consoles, because they need to put the second screen somewhere and that's going to be on top of the main screen, therefore I still believe the wiiU version will still be the best, it was designed with that console in mind.

I am an "older gamer", I grew up in the SNES generation. It didn't need to be "easy point and shoot" but this game just has so many problems I could go on for pages.

victor83fernandes said:

That's exactly why the game was one of the best of the generation, it was different, original, wasn't scared of making something new, and didn't treat gamers like children who need an arrow and map to know where they need to go or what to do.

The game was and is brilliant, if it didn't have the 100 characters at once, then it would just be another generic action fighter.

I'd respectfully disagree, I find no positive whatsoever to the messy gaggle of characters. Besides the visual nuisance, having them scatter every time you get hit and having to gather them up again is just a pace-breaking chore just like the clunky "draw the weapons" gimmick.

I grew up on Atari 2600 and your"modern" issues I had no issues with and you are literally the only person I have seen have these complaints online. So it just seems to be on your end not the game. You don't like it and that's fine but it's not the game.



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TeamGuard said:
This game can't even run 4k on PS4 Pro or Steam? What year is this, 2013?

2160p is 4k.
The PS4pro does that.

That said... game barely looks better than the Wii U version.... resolution scale doesnt do much graphically for this game.

*edit:
This game is probably a horrible mess, in Switch handheld mode.
Its cluttered enough on a big tv screen, on a tiny screen its gonna be 1 big mess.



Leynos said:
curl-6 said:

I am an "older gamer", I grew up in the SNES generation. It didn't need to be "easy point and shoot" but this game just has so many problems I could go on for pages.

I'd respectfully disagree, I find no positive whatsoever to the messy gaggle of characters. Besides the visual nuisance, having them scatter every time you get hit and having to gather them up again is just a pace-breaking chore just like the clunky "draw the weapons" gimmick.

I grew up on Atari 2600 and your"modern" issues I had no issues with and you are literally the only person I have seen have these complaints online. So it just seems to be on your end not the game. You don't like it and that's fine but it's not the game.

It's both; I don't like the game because of how the game is. So yes, it is the game.

It's not like it's universally acclaimed and beloved, many others find issue with it. It has a rather lukewarm Metacritic of 78 with 23 "yellow" reviews. (Below a 75)



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Leynos said:

you are literally the only person I have seen have these complaints online. 

"Controlling one character in a Platinum game can provide a challenge. Controlling up to 100 is near insanity. The default camera has to pan out so far just to contain the action onscreen, that I often lost sight of what I was doing, or where my straggling characters were. When I take a hit, I lose some of my collective. I can pick them up by simply running over them, but that is often harder than it needs to be. There are options to zoom in, but alas the action is so sprawling that doing so only makes it worse. I was taking hits from off-screen enemies constantly, and there is certainly no good balance between the views."

http://www.ztgd.com/reviews/the-wonderful-101/



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curl-6 said:
Leynos said:

I grew up on Atari 2600 and your"modern" issues I had no issues with and you are literally the only person I have seen have these complaints online. So it just seems to be on your end not the game. You don't like it and that's fine but it's not the game.

It's both; I don't like the game because of how the game is. So yes, it is the game.

It's not like it's universally acclaimed and beloved, many others find issue with it. It has a rather lukewarm Metacritic of 78 with 23 "yellow" reviews. (Below a 75)

And Final Fantasy XIII/Fallout 4 had like an 85 plus meta. So it's best not to use a number to try and make your opinion more valid when those reviewers have proven to be untrustworthy.



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Leynos said:
curl-6 said:

It's both; I don't like the game because of how the game is. So yes, it is the game.

It's not like it's universally acclaimed and beloved, many others find issue with it. It has a rather lukewarm Metacritic of 78 with 23 "yellow" reviews. (Below a 75)

And Final Fantasy XIII/Fallout 4 had like an 85 plus meta. So it's best not to use a number to try and make your opinion more valid when those reviewers have proven to be untrustworthy.

I didn't use a number to try to validate my opinion. You painted it as though I'm the only one who had issues with it and that the game is faultless. I'm simply demonstrating that no, I am not the only one who found the game flawed.



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victor83fernandes said:

If they bring more wiiU games to the switch I might end up selling the wiiU and rebuying everything later on sales.

The problem with that is that prices on Nintendo games take forever to come down.  You might have to wait 10 years to get a good deal on some of the Switch games.  





JRPGfan said:
TeamGuard said:
This game can't even run 4k on PS4 Pro or Steam? What year is this, 2013?

2160p is 4k.
The PS4pro does that.

That said... game barely looks better than the Wii U version.... resolution scale doesnt do much graphically for this game.

*edit:
This game is probably a horrible mess, in Switch handheld mode.
Its cluttered enough on a big tv screen, on a tiny screen its gonna be 1 big mess.

As someone who played the game solely on the Wii U Gamepad, let me tell you that it isn't. 



curl-6 said:
CaptainExplosion said:

I don't think it's that bad. In fact I never had that problem.

I just found it constantly frustrating when I played; controlling only one of up to 100 tiny characters with the rest just swarming along for the ride was just not visually intuitive or comfortable.

It made action senses in particular just too disorganized, especially when you take a hit and they scatter all over the screen and have to run around gathering them all up, that was a massive pain in the rear, and it completely broke the flow of the action, as did having to stop and do that fiddly "draw the weapon" gimmick.

It's easier to accept this game just isn't for you.

That's fine. It's not for everyone, really. I didn't like it either. But if you dislike everything about its core gameplay, it's better to just admit it's not your kind of thing and move on to other things. I'm actually glad this whole thing was done as fast as it was, it means Platinum's other projects won't be slowed down much, if at all. Still hoping for Astral Chain 2 over here.