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Pemalite said:
JRPGfan said:
"However we have been warned about this for years to come... It was asserted by a climate change study that the impacts of climate change would be directly observable by 2020 in Australia and we are definitely seeing that, the fire chiefs have all been warning about it for years... And were ignored, resulting in the current situation. - And we still have uneducated cucks who think Climate Change isn't real, just because they saw a facebook meme or a Youtube video.

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/how-a-climate-change-study-from-12-years-ago-warned-of-this-horror-bushfire-season"


At some point, the changes will become so drastic people cant ignore it anymore.

In the meantime we are putting our lives at risk to deal with the issues whilst they play ignorance.

Because I am directly dealing with the symptoms of climate change, I will be a little more abrupt about the topic than normal...Sci

Scientist say its basically too late to prevent climate change.
They talk about tipping points, where once you go over, systems break apart.

Even if we stopped produceing emissions today, the course of things would continue play out enough to push us past tipping points.
Basically emissions released today, dont show their full effects, until many years lateron. We 've already released enough, in the past many years, that the earth would continue to heat up for certain periode of time, pushing us past some of these tipping points.

So its too late, to "save the system" basically.
Its now more a matter of how do we adapt, to the world 100-300 years from now?
Riseing sea levels will become a issue.

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JRPGfan said:
Pemalite said:

In the meantime we are putting our lives at risk to deal with the issues whilst they play ignorance.

Because I am directly dealing with the symptoms of climate change, I will be a little more abrupt about the topic than normal...Sci

Scientist say its basically too late to prevent climate change.
They talk about tipping points, where once you go over, systems break apart.

Even if we stopped produceing emissions today, the course of things would continue play out enough to push us past tipping points.
Basically emissions released today, dont show their full effects, until many years lateron. We 've already released enough, in the past many years, that the earth would continue to heat up for certain periode of time, pushing us past some of these tipping points.

So its too late, to "save the system" basically.
Its now more a matter of how do we adapt, to the world 100-300 years from now?
Riseing sea levels will become a issue.

Who told you we have moved past the tipping point?  We have 10-30 years (depending up on the model).



Massimus - "Trump already has democrat support."

Not noticing it, but it's Bogota. Our cold comes from height, so odds are it hits us less.

I've been noticing clearer skies than usual though. No clue how things are in Madrid or the rest of Spain. Might ask my folks.



Epic was right all along... 

JRPGfan said:

"However we have been warned about this for years to come... It was asserted by a climate change study that the impacts of climate change would be directly observable by 2020 in Australia and we are definitely seeing that, the fire chiefs have all been warning about it for years... And were ignored, resulting in the current situation. - And we still have uneducated cucks who think Climate Change isn't real, just because they saw a facebook meme or a Youtube video."


At some point, the changes will become so drastic people cant ignore it anymore.
Its just a matter of what does it take?

Florida to be in the ocean? because of riseing sea levels? Something else?

Once Miami can't fight off the sea level rise anymore (Miami is the most threatened city in the world from rising sea levels, with New Orleans in close second spot. Already now you can find stagnating water in some streets in the city during sunny weather. That's not rainwater, that the high tide flushing through the sewer system into the city) and has to abandon parts of the city, then maybe people will wake up. Or the rising waters eating up the marshlands around New Orleans and creeping up upon the city maybe will do it. But the way the deniers are ticking, I doubt they would concede even if they were about to get flushed away by a high tide in the midst of a city in the US when it's about 45°C (110°F) in January outside...



sundin13 said:

It is called "Global Warming" for a reason, and that reason is that different areas may experience temperature change differently, so you need to take Global temperatures into account, and not just temperatures of one area, such as the USA.

If you want to only look at data from 1999 and ignore all the improvements that have been made in our ability to handle the raw data, here is the global temperature data from NASA from 1999:

Improvement to our abilities to handle raw data... I love that expression. :D Just use original data without tempering.

Heatwaves were much more severe in the 1930s with the "Dust Bowl" killing ten thousand. Steinbeck's The Grapes of Wrath is the story of this mega drought.

https://www.epa.gov/climate-indicators/climate-change-indicators-high-and-low-temperatures

https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=ueUsAAAAIBAJ&sjid=RCEEAAAAIBAJ&pg=4558,3173079

https://www.nytimes.com/1936/07/07/archives/crop-crisis-worse-heat-rising-to-119-north-dakota-temperatures-set.html



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numberwang said:
sundin13 said:

It is called "Global Warming" for a reason, and that reason is that different areas may experience temperature change differently, so you need to take Global temperatures into account, and not just temperatures of one area, such as the USA.

If you want to only look at data from 1999 and ignore all the improvements that have been made in our ability to handle the raw data, here is the global temperature data from NASA from 1999:

Improvement to our abilities to handle raw data... I love that expression. :D Just use original data.

Heatwaves were much more severe in the 1930s with the "Dust Bowl" killing ten thousand. Steinbeck's The Grapes of Wrath is the story of this mega drought.

https://www.epa.gov/climate-indicators/climate-change-indicators-high-and-low-temperatures

https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=ueUsAAAAIBAJ&sjid=RCEEAAAAIBAJ&pg=4558,3173079

Great.  Now do that for every weather polling station on Earth during the 1930s, average them all up, account for time of day, islanding, etc...and then compare it all to today.



Massimus - "Trump already has democrat support."

SpokenTruth said:
numberwang said:

Improvement to our abilities to handle raw data... I love that expression. :D Just use original data.

Heatwaves were much more severe in the 1930s with the "Dust Bowl" killing ten thousand. Steinbeck's The Grapes of Wrath is the story of this mega drought.

<SNIP>

https://www.epa.gov/climate-indicators/climate-change-indicators-high-and-low-temperatures

<SNIP>

https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=ueUsAAAAIBAJ&sjid=RCEEAAAAIBAJ&pg=4558,3173079

Great.  Now do that for every weather polling station on Earth during the 1930s, average them all up, account for time of day, islanding, etc...and then compare it all to today.

Climate Change doesn't give a fuck about one or two anomalies like the high point in the 1930's... That isn't what Climate Change is about.

It's about overall and long-term trends... Yes you will still get periods where temperatures will spike and where temperatures will drop below the averages, it accounts for all of that.

I wish people would understand that very simple concept that often alludes them.



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Pemalite said:
SpokenTruth said:

Great.  Now do that for every weather polling station on Earth during the 1930s, average them all up, account for time of day, islanding, etc...and then compare it all to today.

Climate Change doesn't give a fuck about one or two anomalies like the high point in the 1930's... That isn't what Climate Change is about.

It's about overall and long-term trends... Yes you will still get periods where temperatures will spike and where temperatures will drop below the averages, it accounts for all of that.

I wish people would understand that very simple concept that often alludes them.

The 'great' was sarcasm.

We're talking the same thing.  He specifically selected the midwest US during a warm and dry period but ignored the rest of the world.  

Of course it's about the trends and the rate of change in those trends.  I just wanted him to at least look globally and not just one region.



Massimus - "Trump already has democrat support."

SpokenTruth said:
Pemalite said:

Climate Change doesn't give a fuck about one or two anomalies like the high point in the 1930's... That isn't what Climate Change is about.

It's about overall and long-term trends... Yes you will still get periods where temperatures will spike and where temperatures will drop below the averages, it accounts for all of that.

I wish people would understand that very simple concept that often alludes them.

The 'great' was sarcasm.

We're talking the same thing.  He specifically selected the midwest US during a warm and dry period but ignored the rest of the world.  

Of course it's about the trends and the rate of change in those trends.  I just wanted him to at least look globally and not just one region.

Yeah I know. I was sort of agreeing with you.



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SpokenTruth said:

Great.  Now do that for every weather polling station on Earth during the 1930s, average them all up, account for time of day, islanding, etc...and then compare it all to today.

The US has by far the best temperature record on earth (longest and most stations). There is no region in the world with a comparable data set. You can't use bad data to "adjust" good data.

So far we are coming out of the "New Ice age" but still below the 1930s Dust Bowl (raw temp data). The rest in data "adjustment" by cooling past US temperatures.

ftp://ftp.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/ushcn/v2.5/

The data "adjustment" is now so severe that the "New Ice Age" got practically removed from the adjusted temp curve.

https://www.newspapers.com/image/30003678/?terms=global%2Bcooling

https://timesmachine.nytimes.com/timesmachine/1961/01/30/97655743.html?pageNumber=46