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DonFerrari said:
sales2099 said:

I’d say it’s more then 1 game a piece. Ninja Theory making 3 games now. playground 2, Obsidian 2. What about all 1st party games (and published) ones from the 360 and Xbox One gens? Throw in a partnership with a major publisher like EA and you have something so long as the infrastructure is solid. I’m optimistic :)

Yes people will pay for the sub to play X360 games, and a few X1 gems... you can inflate your numbers as much as you want and even add EA. For Xcloud or any other service like that to really work they will need plenty of titles and variety and for that they are all tied to the same problem of these publishers playing ball. Meaning that in this sense Xbox (nor anyone) really have a leg over anyone else. Perhaps Nintendo could have their stream service with their exclusives and have a big success (if they had a good infrastructure for online and streaming, which we know they don't have).

Guess you can say I’m optimistic MS knows better how to strike a partnership. With them having more day to day experience and relations in the industry. Not to mention this is their one of few options to capitalize where Sony can’t follow. We’ll see 

Edit: Game Pass is pretty successful according to MS and it only has a couple hundred games. It launched with 100. You don’t need several hundred to make it big. The games just have to be good enough, service has to work, and have enough exclusives to set apart. Again in a few years the last point will be well in its way to be realized, and even more so going forward after that. 

Last edited by sales2099 - on 13 February 2020

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sales2099 said:
DonFerrari said:

Yes people will pay for the sub to play X360 games, and a few X1 gems... you can inflate your numbers as much as you want and even add EA. For Xcloud or any other service like that to really work they will need plenty of titles and variety and for that they are all tied to the same problem of these publishers playing ball. Meaning that in this sense Xbox (nor anyone) really have a leg over anyone else. Perhaps Nintendo could have their stream service with their exclusives and have a big success (if they had a good infrastructure for online and streaming, which we know they don't have).

Guess you can say I’m optimistic MS knows better how to strike a partnership. With them having more day to day experience and relations in the industry. Not to mention this is their one of few options to capitalize where Sony can’t follow. We’ll see 

Edit: Game Pass is pretty successful according to MS and it only has a couple hundred games. It launched with 100. You don’t need several hundred to make it big. The games just have to be good enough, service has to work, and have enough exclusives to set apart. Again in a few years the last point will be well in its way to be realized, and even more so going forward after that. 

Well yep I do think MS can put a good service on Xcloud and do good partnerships (although NVIDIA I would also expect to have good relationships with most publishers, but guess both sides couldn't agree on a fair profit share). And sure you can be optimistic.

To start the service sure 100 is plenty but that needs either growth or cycling, you wouldn't keep a high and growing number of subs if you had the same 100 games for 5 years, just as consoles don't keep selling if there aren't new games coming.



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DonFerrari said:
sales2099 said:

Guess you can say I’m optimistic MS knows better how to strike a partnership. With them having more day to day experience and relations in the industry. Not to mention this is their one of few options to capitalize where Sony can’t follow. We’ll see 

Edit: Game Pass is pretty successful according to MS and it only has a couple hundred games. It launched with 100. You don’t need several hundred to make it big. The games just have to be good enough, service has to work, and have enough exclusives to set apart. Again in a few years the last point will be well in its way to be realized, and even more so going forward after that. 

Well yep I do think MS can put a good service on Xcloud and do good partnerships (although NVIDIA I would also expect to have good relationships with most publishers, but guess both sides couldn't agree on a fair profit share). And sure you can be optimistic.

To start the service sure 100 is plenty but that needs either growth or cycling, you wouldn't keep a high and growing number of subs if you had the same 100 games for 5 years, just as consoles don't keep selling if there aren't new games coming.

Well a quick search showed Stadia having about 40 games out now while Xcloud, still in preview mode for 10-20k globally, has about 50. So far so good. They seem to know how to cycle games like they do in Game Pass while all new 1st party games are new and permanent additions.

With the indie games being pumped out besides the big guns it looks like Xcloud/Game Pass/consoles will get a steady stream. I mean 2020 is a great example of A-AA padding out the year until Forza 8/Halo Infinite. So I say let these other players flounder and pave the way for Xcloud when the tech and market is ready for it. 



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Bethesda has now joined the same bandwagon.

https://www.dsogaming.com/news/nvidia-has-removed-most-of-bethesdas-games-from-its-gaming-cloud-service-geforce-now/

As I mentioned earlier in the thread these companies are going to want to make money off any service whether it's free or not.



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Bethesda has now joined the same bandwagon.

https://www.dsogaming.com/news/nvidia-has-removed-most-of-bethesdas-games-from-its-gaming-cloud-service-geforce-now/

As I mentioned earlier in the thread these companies are going to want to make money off any service whether it's free or not.

They are already going to make money from the deal Nvidia had in place for even putting those games on said service. It's just all about "all the money", not just some.

Everyone these days wants to cut out the middle-man and get 100%, but when you have something like this, you have them asking "why don't I get more?", and before you know it everyone is hosting a streaming service.



             

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The only way to overcome shitty behavior from shitty companies is we as consumers acting consciously when buying and also electing representatives that keep shenaningans like these from being legal.

Unless companies that are "nice" start to steadily outperform those that aren't, this will continue.



 

 

 

 

 

Reminds me of Netflix. It started out great when it had no competitors but now there are so many. They all started pulling their content and putting a competitor. The ones that dint put up a service went with the highest bidder in turn making the cost of the winner go up. Now we are back at how cable was just as expensive.

Game streaming just had media streaming as a reference so the initial Netflix with no competition honey moon face got completely skiped. Publishers and either making their own or seeing who offers the most $$$.

I think MS is about to be hit pretty hard soon. They will be hit on the unreleased xcloud but publishers will start to pull games from gamepass as well and try to renegotiate. The only plus they have is that they have their own first party games, but sadly they make the less amount of games out of any of the big publishers or consoles so they really cant compete with their content alone.



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Most of the bigger companies will want to have there own Streaming services as they all see the potential profits in Streaming, this is going to make Streaming start off messy however over time, those that are not successful will slowly filter out and Streaming will remain with a few choices rather than a ton of them.

No different to how Digital started off and with Win10, Uplay and Origins all tried to do there own thing only to come back to Steam and release there games on that service.. again.



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Reminds me of Netflix. It started out great when it had no competitors but now there are so many. They all started pulling their content and putting a competitor. The ones that dint put up a service went with the highest bidder in turn making the cost of the winner go up. Now we are back at how cable was just as expensive.

Game streaming just had media streaming as a reference so the initial Netflix with no competition honey moon face got completely skiped. Publishers and either making their own or seeing who offers the most $$$.

I think MS is about to be hit pretty hard soon. They will be hit on the unreleased xcloud but publishers will start to pull games from gamepass as well and try to renegotiate. The only plus they have is that they have their own first party games, but sadly they make the less amount of games out of any of the big publishers or consoles so they really cant compete with their content alone.

No doubt this might cause companies to do there own thing however you also need to remember that MS own Azure Cloud, so those wanting to do Streaming will most likely create there own App or platform however they will still need to rent the Streaming services and that will profit MS all the same. Azure is apparently a very good network which is outpacing Googles network so when it comes to Streaming gaming, Azure seems to be a no brainer choice. Also Sony signed up to use Azure so technically the more popular PSN becomes is more revenue for MS as well. 

Either the companies let Game Pass and XCloud do the Streaming for them or they rent out Azure to Stream there own content. Either way this is a positive for MS. They are in a really good position at the moment. Sure others can rent out Amazon or Google's Network however from what we are seeing, Azure is doing game Streaming better so it just adds another reason to use MS's Network.

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Azzanation said:
eva01beserk said:
Reminds me of Netflix. It started out great when it had no competitors but now there are so many. They all started pulling their content and putting a competitor. The ones that dint put up a service went with the highest bidder in turn making the cost of the winner go up. Now we are back at how cable was just as expensive.

Game streaming just had media streaming as a reference so the initial Netflix with no competition honey moon face got completely skiped. Publishers and either making their own or seeing who offers the most $$$.

I think MS is about to be hit pretty hard soon. They will be hit on the unreleased xcloud but publishers will start to pull games from gamepass as well and try to renegotiate. The only plus they have is that they have their own first party games, but sadly they make the less amount of games out of any of the big publishers or consoles so they really cant compete with their content alone.

No doubt this might cause companies to do there own thing however you also need to remember that MS own Azure Cloud, so those wanting to do Streaming will most likely create there own App or platform however they will still need to rent the Streaming services and that will profit MS all the same. Azure is apparently a very good network which is outpacing Googles network so when it comes to Streaming gaming, Azure seems to be a no brainer choice. Also Sony signed up to use Azure so technically the more popular PSN becomes is more revenue for MS as well. 

Either the companies let Game Pass and XCloud do the Streaming for them or they rent out Azure to Stream there own content. Either way is a positive and MS. MS are also in a really good position for this. Sure they can rent out Amazon or Google's Network however from what we are seeing, Azure is doing game Streaming better so its another reason to use MS Network.

Better is relative. If google has lower performance they could charge less and could still be considered better cuz of it. We are also talking about trillion dollar companies with MS google and amazon here, on a days notice they could each invest 10's of billions and each have better services. just recently the US government announced that they are partnering with AMD ryzen and Nvidia to have the worlds most powerful server farm and/or super computer and google announced shortly after that they want to one up them. And im willing to bet is just for bragging rights. 



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