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Is Biden's campaign no longer viable?

Yes, his campaign is dead! 31 46.27%
 
His campaign is badly hur... 15 22.39%
 
He will take a small hit,... 5 7.46%
 
No, this result will not hurt his campaign. 7 10.45%
 
Donald Trump will win the democratic primary! 9 13.43%
 
Total:67
sundin13 said:
Eagle367 said:

Did you read my comment? It's not a false equivalency, it's what their records show. Trump so far has not done anything as disastrous as Biden's crime bill but Biden is not as much of a liar as trump is and doesn't flash his corruption in the open like trump. Trump personality wise is far worse than Joe Biden, that's for sure. But when you look at their history, you can't say Biden is better than Trump in every aspect, can you? Now if you disagree, shoe me something as bad as the crime bill that Trump has implemented? As far as actual damage, I think Bush is far worse than Trump. I can be honest with myself about different presidents and political figures. I don't have to pretend that no nuance exists and it's rare to find anyone that is worse in every imaginable metric. Mitch McConnell and Eliot Abrams and Mike Pompeo might be exceptions.

But the past doesn't equal the future.

There is no reason to assume that Biden would maintain his past position on that particular issue. If we compare Biden's current platform (not his platform over twenty-five years ago) on these issues to Trump's, I would take Biden any day.

If Biden changed his positions 24 years ago, I would agree with you. But he had similar opinions 4 years ago. He didn't support politically harmful opinions that turned out to be right like Bernie did and does. That shows me that Biden won't do much better this time around. Remember Obama wanted to close Gitmo. My point is it's not just policies, it's policies and trustworthiness to do everything to get them passed. It's policy, trustworthiness and sincerity. Do you really support these things or are you saying them to get elected. I don't think Biden or trump beat Sanders in any of them and I think Biden certainly beats Trump in policy, I'm not sold on the other 2. Bernie can still win, so there's no point discussing Biden vs Trump anyways. Get bernie to win for now. Convince people to vote for him in whatever way you can.



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Eagle367 said:
Dulfite said:

I believe I read something yesterday that the youth vote was down in 10/14 states on Super Tuesday and is down, overall, compared to 2016. Bernie won a lot more of the youths % wise but apparently less of them are voting than in 2016 in the Democratic primaries. That is the opposite of what Bernie needs to win the general election. Biden could win a general election without the rough because middle aged and older people actually like him. Bernie needs the youth because the older one gets the more they think him radical.

I say this openly as a conservative, by the way. I have no idea who will win. I'd prefer any social conservative other than Trump, but he's what we've got and I have to vote to support baby rights.

If I can't have Trump I'd rather have Biden than Sanders, at least policy wise (but I'm very concerned for Biden's mental wellbeing as I am for Trump's). Sanders seems to be the most mentally stable of the three, but his policies are way too far for me. I disagree with almost his entire platform. Honestly if Trump didn't appoint pro life judges I'd probably vote third party or not at all based on this selection because that issue is by far the most important to me. Someone else's life being an inconvenience isn't an excuse to murder them.

You are the prime example of why Joe will lose. He has no chance of expanding his base. The democrats that will vote for Joe will also vote for Bernie, just like Clinton. The republicans will vote for Trump over Joe, like you are and just like Clinton. If anyone has a ceiling, it's a moderate corporatist democrat. The imaginary conservative democrat voter doesn't exist and there's no use going there. The aim is to get people to vote who don't. And those are the people Bernie does best with, whether the youth or the independents. That's why I said to mobilize and drag the youth to vote because they have become too apathetic to all parties. They believe the DNC will rig it anyways so what's the use anyways. But if Bernie wins the primaries, they are much more likely to come out and vote in the general than the primaries. 

The best chance of beating Trump is Bernie. Trump can beat Bernie but it's harder for him. Trump can more easily beat Joe. 

Finally, to be honest, I don't get your stance. If you are pro-life, universal healthcare and education should be a priority. Someone who is living by doesn't have enough money for healthcare seems to be more important than a clot of cells that haven't even specialized into brain cells or heart cells or other organs. I don't endorse killing babies but even the latest of abortions aren't carried out on babies. There is a process to becoming a human baby and the cut off is vague but intelligent policy can be made to differentiate between a baby and a precursor to a baby. I'm against late stage abortion as well, but m also against the already born people dying or being homeless because they are poor. 

Trump does a lot more anti-life things than most democrats and Bernie is more pro-life than most other politicians. 

I believe life in the womb is a baby, no matter what stage. I don't know what pro lifer doesn't think that. Therefore any abortion is murder. And like I said, I'm not straight Republican with everything, who knows which party is vote for I'd abortion was resolved. I certainly don't like elderly, poor, widows, etc. Being abused and left to die either. All of it is terrible. But those people can at least protest, speak up to defend themselves, literally ask people for help (even begging in the streets), whereas babies in the womb are completely helpless to the decision of their mothers. The only thing they can do is try to squirm away from the torturous device that is attempting to chop their body up, as has been shown and documented. They are the most vulnerable and so they are the priority. There's been over 50 million abortions in America since Roe v. Wade. It's devastating.

Once it is outlawed by the Supreme Court I will then focus my shift on supporting other vulnerable groups that are being left in desperate situations.



Dulfite said:
Eagle367 said:

You are the prime example of why Joe will lose. He has no chance of expanding his base. The democrats that will vote for Joe will also vote for Bernie, just like Clinton. The republicans will vote for Trump over Joe, like you are and just like Clinton. If anyone has a ceiling, it's a moderate corporatist democrat. The imaginary conservative democrat voter doesn't exist and there's no use going there. The aim is to get people to vote who don't. And those are the people Bernie does best with, whether the youth or the independents. That's why I said to mobilize and drag the youth to vote because they have become too apathetic to all parties. They believe the DNC will rig it anyways so what's the use anyways. But if Bernie wins the primaries, they are much more likely to come out and vote in the general than the primaries. 

The best chance of beating Trump is Bernie. Trump can beat Bernie but it's harder for him. Trump can more easily beat Joe. 

Finally, to be honest, I don't get your stance. If you are pro-life, universal healthcare and education should be a priority. Someone who is living by doesn't have enough money for healthcare seems to be more important than a clot of cells that haven't even specialized into brain cells or heart cells or other organs. I don't endorse killing babies but even the latest of abortions aren't carried out on babies. There is a process to becoming a human baby and the cut off is vague but intelligent policy can be made to differentiate between a baby and a precursor to a baby. I'm against late stage abortion as well, but m also against the already born people dying or being homeless because they are poor. 

Trump does a lot more anti-life things than most democrats and Bernie is more pro-life than most other politicians. 

I believe life in the womb is a baby, no matter what stage. I don't know what pro lifer doesn't think that. Therefore any abortion is murder. And like I said, I'm not straight Republican with everything, who knows which party is vote for I'd abortion was resolved. I certainly don't like elderly, poor, widows, etc. Being abused and left to die either. All of it is terrible. But those people can at least protest, speak up to defend themselves, literally ask people for help (even begging in the streets), whereas babies in the womb are completely helpless to the decision of their mothers. The only thing they can do is try to squirm away from the torturous device that is attempting to chop their body up, as has been shown and documented. They are the most vulnerable and so they are the priority. There's been over 50 million abortions in America since Roe v. Wade. It's devastating.

Once it is outlawed by the Supreme Court I will then focus my shift on supporting other vulnerable groups that are being left in desperate situations.

So is a germ and egg life for you? What about a gemate or a germinated egg? I see no reason how you can call a single cell living or even a clot of unspecialized cells. And I don't mean the biological living kind. Your skin cells die by billions each day and so do a lot of cells inside your body that are replaced constantly. There is nothing other than emotional intuition in deciding what is humam life or not.



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Eagle367 said:
gergroy said:
I’ll vote for whoever isn’t trump. That is the most important thing. Between Biden and sanders I would probably go with Biden... don’t really like either though...

If you think beating trump is the most important thing, you either live a privileged life or don't have enough information or most likely both. Beating Trump is the first step, not the most important thing.

The privileged life of a teacher... I hear we are overpaid all the time...  and getting rid of trump is very important.  It might be hyperbole to call it the most important, but the man is a trainwreck.  He needs to be removed from any kind of power...



gergroy said:
Eagle367 said:

If you think beating trump is the most important thing, you either live a privileged life or don't have enough information or most likely both. Beating Trump is the first step, not the most important thing.

The privileged life of a teacher... I hear we are overpaid all the time...  and getting rid of trump is very important.  It might be hyperbole to call it the most important, but the man is a trainwreck.  He needs to be removed from any kind of power...

I believe that one is for you. Who replaced Trump is more important than him leaving. Because more of the same will lead to someone worse than Trump. The US does not have a bright future with Trump or Biden. A return to so-called normalcy will harm you as well and your students and their parents and their grandparents. Beating Trump is the first step. And yes, he is a trainwreck but I can easily see Biden being a trainwreck in a different way. Why vote for someone who has the potential to be a trainwreck?



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Voted for the first time today. Voted for Sanders on my early Arizona ballot.

However (and unfortunately), ready to vote for Biden, if he does become the nominee, in November.



Eagle367 said:
sundin13 said:

But the past doesn't equal the future.

There is no reason to assume that Biden would maintain his past position on that particular issue. If we compare Biden's current platform (not his platform over twenty-five years ago) on these issues to Trump's, I would take Biden any day.

If Biden changed his positions 24 years ago, I would agree with you. But he had similar opinions 4 years ago. He didn't support politically harmful opinions that turned out to be right like Bernie did and does. That shows me that Biden won't do much better this time around. Remember Obama wanted to close Gitmo. My point is it's not just policies, it's policies and trustworthiness to do everything to get them passed. It's policy, trustworthiness and sincerity. Do you really support these things or are you saying them to get elected. I don't think Biden or trump beat Sanders in any of them and I think Biden certainly beats Trump in policy, I'm not sold on the other 2. Bernie can still win, so there's no point discussing Biden vs Trump anyways. Get bernie to win for now. Convince people to vote for him in whatever way you can.

Let me repeat what you just said: You aren't sold that Biden beats Trump in sincerity and trustworthiness.

What?

That comparison is just so inherently ludicrous. Yes, Biden has had a long political career with some questionable decisions, but while I see some reason to doubt that he would be a significant step forward, I see no reason to assume he would be a step backwards. Four more years of Trump is just so incredibly and inherently damaging. Like, those four years could easily turn into a 7-2 conservative majority in the Supreme Court. As you are clearly pro-choice, to even compare a Biden presidency to a Trump presidency seems to be missing the forest for the trees.

While I support Bernie as my primary candidate, I will vote for Biden in an instant if he is the candidate. To suggest that four years of Trump would be better because we could deal with it in 2024 seems to me to be coming from a point of privilege (as you said to gergroy). While four more years of Trump may or may not impact you personally in a great way, all the people who are suffering under him and his choices may not have the luxury of just waiting it out for another four years for a shot at a better candidate.



Welp

I was right

Bernie is basically dead



27 people spoke too soon.



SpokenTruth said:
KLAMarine said:
27 people spoke too soon.

I completely forgot there was a poll.  I never bothered to select an answer and just forgot about it.

Gonna guess your answer will now be very obvious?