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Is Biden's campaign no longer viable?

Yes, his campaign is dead! 31 46.27%
 
His campaign is badly hur... 15 22.39%
 
He will take a small hit,... 5 7.46%
 
No, this result will not hurt his campaign. 7 10.45%
 
Donald Trump will win the democratic primary! 9 13.43%
 
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sundin13 said:
Eagle367 said:

If Biden changed his positions 24 years ago, I would agree with you. But he had similar opinions 4 years ago. He didn't support politically harmful opinions that turned out to be right like Bernie did and does. That shows me that Biden won't do much better this time around. Remember Obama wanted to close Gitmo. My point is it's not just policies, it's policies and trustworthiness to do everything to get them passed. It's policy, trustworthiness and sincerity. Do you really support these things or are you saying them to get elected. I don't think Biden or trump beat Sanders in any of them and I think Biden certainly beats Trump in policy, I'm not sold on the other 2. Bernie can still win, so there's no point discussing Biden vs Trump anyways. Get bernie to win for now. Convince people to vote for him in whatever way you can.

Let me repeat what you just said: You aren't sold that Biden beats Trump in sincerity and trustworthiness.

What?

That comparison is just so inherently ludicrous. Yes, Biden has had a long political career with some questionable decisions, but while I see some reason to doubt that he would be a significant step forward, I see no reason to assume he would be a step backwards. Four more years of Trump is just so incredibly and inherently damaging. Like, those four years could easily turn into a 7-2 conservative majority in the Supreme Court. As you are clearly pro-choice, to even compare a Biden presidency to a Trump presidency seems to be missing the forest for the trees.

While I support Bernie as my primary candidate, I will vote for Biden in an instant if he is the candidate. To suggest that four years of Trump would be better because we could deal with it in 2024 seems to me to be coming from a point of privilege (as you said to gergroy). While four more years of Trump may or may not impact you personally in a great way, all the people who are suffering under him and his choices may not have the luxury of just waiting it out for another four years for a shot at a better candidate.

The way I see it. Biden is like poisoning the US over many years. A slow death. Trump is like a stab to the gut. Still slow, but not nearly as much. Biden is better than Trump but he'll continue the decline of the US. In the end, Americans will choose whether they want to heal or die in different ways. The Empire can't behave like an empire anymore and the hegemony is over. Now you can be like the Romans who died out or the English who made UK better than it was as an empire.



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AngryLittleAlchemist said:
Voted for the first time today. Voted for Sanders on my early Arizona ballot.

However (and unfortunately), ready to vote for Biden, if he does become the nominee, in November.

Yeah, I am strong for Bernie but coming to grips with voting for another unsatisfactory Democrat in hopes of ousting the orange turd from the WH. The delegate math isn't good for Bernie, but there's no telling what Biden can do to shoot himself in the foot when he gets on camera more. 



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So I heard Bloomberg spent $500 million on ads and nothing came from it? Lol

Sanders isn’t wanted by the dems because socialism is not a viable platform to win a general election.

So it looks like Biden is the winner. Right?



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sales2099 said:
So I heard Bloomberg spent $500 million on ads and nothing came from it? Lol

Sanders isn’t wanted by the dems because socialism is not a viable platform to win a general election.

So it looks like Biden is the winner. Right?

Hey, hey, hey, it wasn't for nothing!

He got American Samoa!

...so actually yeah, basically nothing.

Biden is trending that way.  I think he made a very good strategic decision when he began to frame his presidency as a "bridge" between now and the future of the Party that is the young but not quite ready nominees that didn't make it.  As he is very obviously a one term president, the best way to turn that negative to a positive is to frame himself as a stabilizing measure that will give the Parties time to figure out what their futures are.

Sanders runs up against a lot of issues honestly.  Socialism as a label though doesn't help.



KLAMarine said:
27 people spoke too soon.

To be fair, a lot of people, myself included thought that Buttigieg and Klobuchar would still be in the race on Super Tuesday.  The crowded field was to Sanders advantage.  Which is why so much pressure was put on those 2 candidates to drop out and back Biden just days before the biggest primary day.



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sales2099 said:
So I heard Bloomberg spent $500 million on ads and nothing came from it? Lol

Sanders isn’t wanted by the dems because socialism is not a viable platform to win a general election.

So it looks like Biden is the winner. Right?

To be honest, the primary was more difficult to win than the general in my opinion. And I think Biden will have a harder time beating trump than bernie. But the Americans will reap what they sow. I tried my best to convince a lot of them to make the rational and humane choice of Bernie but if this is what they sow, they deserve it. The rest of us don't though and I feel very disheartened, especially for the Middle East.



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sales2099 said:
So I heard Bloomberg spent $500 million on ads and nothing came from it? Lol

Sanders isn’t wanted by the dems because socialism is not a viable platform to win a general election.

So it looks like Biden is the winner. Right?

Bernie wanted 77% of every billionaires money come estate time, so from that perspective that money was going to disappear when Bloomberg died anyways if Sanders had won so why not spend it.



rapsuperstar31 said:
sales2099 said:
So I heard Bloomberg spent $500 million on ads and nothing came from it? Lol

Sanders isn’t wanted by the dems because socialism is not a viable platform to win a general election.

So it looks like Biden is the winner. Right?

Bernie wanted 77% of every billionaires money come estate time, so from that perspective that money was going to disappear when Bloomberg died anyways if Sanders had won so why not spend it.

Besides $500mil for him is like $400 for someone with about $50,000. And that's assuming money scales linearly but in reality, $500mil is a smaller loss for him than $400 is for someone with $50,000. He could continue to spend $500 mil every year for more than 120 years without earning any new money before running out. Styer is like a bigger to Bloomberg that's how rich he is. He's an oligarch among oligarchs. He couldn't buy Bernie Sanders when he was able to buy everything else he ever wanted. I'm sure that irks those billionaires as well. Something that cannot be bought when they consider money to be everything. 



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Eagle367 said:
sales2099 said:
So I heard Bloomberg spent $500 million on ads and nothing came from it? Lol

Sanders isn’t wanted by the dems because socialism is not a viable platform to win a general election.

So it looks like Biden is the winner. Right?

To be honest, the primary was more difficult to win than the general in my opinion. And I think Biden will have a harder time beating trump than bernie. But the Americans will reap what they sow. I tried my best to convince a lot of them to make the rational and humane choice of Bernie but if this is what they sow, they deserve it. The rest of us don't though and I feel very disheartened, especially for the Middle East.

Well that’s something else. I wouldn’t call voting for Bernie “rational and humane”. Socialism destroys countries and never works as envisioned. His policies breed dependence instead of making people self sufficient. 

My own bias aside, just because people don’t agree doesn’t mean they deserve bad things. There are pros and cons to everything, so long as you understand their perspective on top of trying to persuade your own onto them. 

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sales2099 said:
Eagle367 said:

To be honest, the primary was more difficult to win than the general in my opinion. And I think Biden will have a harder time beating trump than bernie. But the Americans will reap what they sow. I tried my best to convince a lot of them to make the rational and humane choice of Bernie but if this is what they sow, they deserve it. The rest of us don't though and I feel very disheartened, especially for the Middle East.

Well that’s something else. I wouldn’t call voting for Bernie “rational and humane”. Socialism destroys countries and never works as envisioned. His policies breed dependence instead of making people self sufficient. 

My own bias aside, just because people don’t agree doesn’t mean they deserve bad things. There are pros and cons to everything, so long as you understand their perspective on top of trying to persuade your own onto them. 

If you elect someone despite all the warning signs and the constant stream of information about their bad history. You deserve that someone as president and whatever they bring. It's not like it was 2 really good candidates who were sensible and championed the betterment of humanity, there was only one. And you chose the other guy. The guy who drags you to war, tries to cut social security, is an obstacle to your healthcare.

Also Socialism doesn't fail Europe is doing fine and I would hardly call roads, universal healthcare, public schools and universities, universal education, the post office, emergency services, etc a failure. And US is also socialist already. It's just corporate socialism because guess what, subsidies, grants and bailouts are also socialism. It gives people freedom to do things, not breed dependence. It provides economic freedom. The US is socalism for the rich while rugged individualism for the poor. Socialism has been successful in keeping democracy alive because pure capitalism devolves into oligarchy and plutocracy. Socialis has it's flaws but it's an awesome system and mixed with some capitalism, it is the best system humans have developed.



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