Is Bidens campaign dead? (EDIT: Well, this was turned around completely.)

[Eagle367]

sundin13 said:

Eagle367 said:

If Biden changed his positions 24 years ago, I would agree with you. But he had similar opinions 4 years ago. He didn't support politically harmful opinions that turned out to be right like Bernie did and does. That shows me that Biden won't do much better this time around. Remember Obama wanted to close Gitmo. My point is it's not just policies, it's policies and trustworthiness to do everything to get them passed. It's policy, trustworthiness and sincerity. Do you really support these things or are you saying them to get elected. I don't think Biden or trump beat Sanders in any of them and I think Biden certainly beats Trump in policy, I'm not sold on the other 2. Bernie can still win, so there's no point discussing Biden vs Trump anyways. Get bernie to win for now. Convince people to vote for him in whatever way you can.

Let me repeat what you just said: You aren't sold that Biden beats Trump in sincerity and trustworthiness.

What?

That comparison is just so inherently ludicrous. Yes, Biden has had a long political career with some questionable decisions, but while I see some reason to doubt that he would be a significant step forward, I see no reason to assume he would be a step backwards. Four more years of Trump is just so incredibly and inherently damaging. Like, those four years could easily turn into a 7-2 conservative majority in the Supreme Court. As you are clearly pro-choice, to even compare a Biden presidency to a Trump presidency seems to be missing the forest for the trees.

While I support Bernie as my primary candidate, I will vote for Biden in an instant if he is the candidate. To suggest that four years of Trump would be better because we could deal with it in 2024 seems to me to be coming from a point of privilege (as you said to gergroy). While four more years of Trump may or may not impact you personally in a great way, all the people who are suffering under him and his choices may not have the luxury of just waiting it out for another four years for a shot at a better candidate.

The way I see it. Biden is like poisoning the US over many years. A slow death. Trump is like a stab to the gut. Still slow, but not nearly as much. Biden is better than Trump but he'll continue the decline of the US. In the end, Americans will choose whether they want to heal or die in different ways. The Empire can't behave like an empire anymore and the hegemony is over. Now you can be like the Romans who died out or the English who made UK better than it was as an empire.