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SegaHeart said:

Corona talk has become less relevant since Russia invasion of Ukraine.

I would not say that it has become less relevant, rather that people are just more concerned with the loss of civilian life and potential WW3 on the horizon because of the wretched invasion.



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Raistline said:
SegaHeart said:

Corona talk has become less relevant since Russia invasion of Ukraine.

I would not say that it has become less relevant, rather that people are just more concerned with the loss of civilian life and potential WW3 on the horizon because of the wretched invasion.

There are still over 5,000 people a day dying from Covid-19 and 1.8 million new infections a day (those that are still testing) world wide. Everyone can get it, plus it's still disrupting many people's lives and has created enormous backlogs of surgeries and other medical issues.

The Russia invasion will move to the background as well when the next celebrity scandal hits or whatever. People's attention spans aren't very long.

Current civilian fatalities in Ukraine are around 4,000 (oficial count) which is of course very bad but still dwindles in comparison to Covid-19 and is still far less than the prior wars in Ukraine nobody remembers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War



SvennoJ said:
Raistline said:

I would not say that it has become less relevant, rather that people are just more concerned with the loss of civilian life and potential WW3 on the horizon because of the wretched invasion.

There are still over 5,000 people a day dying from Covid-19 and 1.8 million new infections a day (those that are still testing) world wide. Everyone can get it, plus it's still disrupting many people's lives and has created enormous backlogs of surgeries and other medical issues.

The Russia invasion will move to the background as well when the next celebrity scandal hits or whatever. People's attention spans aren't very long.

Current civilian fatalities in Ukraine are around 4,000 (oficial count) which is of course very bad but still dwindles in comparison to Covid-19 and is still far less than the prior wars in Ukraine nobody remembers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War

People have been taught to want the newest hottest thing. The news no longer is mostly about levels of importance, but what sells. Which is now whatever's new and hot, so Ukraine.

It's sad but true. Even sadder during a pandemic.



So Shanghai yesterday had over 1,500 asymptomatic cases and like 50 symptomatic cases. This is a pattern repeating itself all over China. Why, would you ask? Because if a case is "asymptomatic" it isn't counted as a Covid case in the official tallies...

Seems sus.



 

 

 

 

 

SegaHeart said:

Corona talk has become less relevant since Russia invasion of Ukraine.

Nah. It was becoming less relevant in the UK before the invasion because this is almost as good as it gets. A large portion of the society is vaccinated. We're screening the extremely vulnerable patients and offering them the anti-virals within 5 days of testing positive (this can reduce admission by 80%, depending on the anti-viral), there are more anti-virals to consider if you get admitted to a hospital, there are antibodies to help with treatments. It got to the point where hospitals are revising healthcare staff isolation policies because it's considered "over-kill" at this point.

I can't imagine it will get much better than this any time soon. The children of today will be exposed to all sort of COVID19 variants, and when they become the adults of the future, they will be naturally less vulnerable than the rest of us and life will go on. 



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haxxiy said:

So Shanghai yesterday had over 1,500 asymptomatic cases and like 50 symptomatic cases. This is a pattern repeating itself all over China. Why, would you ask? Because if a case is "asymptomatic" it isn't counted as a Covid case in the official tallies...

Seems sus.

At least they're still testing. We've basically moved to self reporting and only vulnerable and essential people get tested now.

Experts worry that detecting new waves in time will become the next problem
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/experts-worry-about-how-u-s-will-see-next-covid-19-surge-coming-1.5834493
They site US, but it's not different here.

Despite disease monitoring improvements over the last two years, they say, some recent developments don't bode well:

  • As more people take rapid COVID-19 tests at home, fewer people are getting the gold-standard tests that the government relies on for case counts.
  • The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention will soon use fewer labs to look for new variants.
  • Health officials are increasingly focusing on hospital admissions, which rise only after a surge has arrived.
  • A wastewater surveillance program remains a patchwork that cannot yet be counted on for the data needed to understand coming surges.
  • White House officials say the government is running out of funds for vaccines, treatments and testing.


LurkerJ said:
SegaHeart said:

Corona talk has become less relevant since Russia invasion of Ukraine.

Nah. It was becoming less relevant in the UK before the invasion because this is almost as good as it gets. A large portion of the society is vaccinated. We're screening the extremely vulnerable patients and offering them the anti-virals within 5 days of testing positive (this can reduce admission by 80%, depending on the anti-viral), there are more anti-virals to consider if you get admitted to a hospital, there are antibodies to help with treatments. It got to the point where hospitals are revising healthcare staff isolation policies because it's considered "over-kill" at this point.

I can't imagine it will get much better than this any time soon. The children of today will be exposed to all sort of COVID19 variants, and when they become the adults of the future, they will be naturally less vulnerable than the rest of us and life will go on. 

True, they just removed all restrictions (at least England) and its all as normal. The combination of Phizer/Astrazenica and mDNA is proving quite effective in reducing the risk hospitalization. The initial herd immunity set by gov was a pretty horrible idea pre vaccination but now that the majority and most vulnerable have antibodies and that the weakest and most easily contractable strain is about (Omicron) now is the best time for everyone to get antibodies and immunisation as a whole. Even when the next strain comes along, people's immune system here in the UK will be able to handle it.

There are studies done in the US where where those have contracted the Omicron variant are very unlikely to get reinfected due people developing antibodies against SARS-CoV2. Where most of the small amount of reinfections were those non vaccinated - at the surprise of no one.

Last edited by hinch - on 26 March 2022

Weekly update, reported deaths went up due to correction, reported cases down a little yet less and less get reported

In total 11.6 million new cases were reported last week (down from 12.9 million) to a total of 479,555,832
Also another 49,074 more deaths were reported (up from 36,036) to a total of 6,142,430

Europe is refusing to go down, USA passed 1 million (official counted) deaths.

The continents

Europe and Asia on top, Africa doing the best (or measuring the least)
Those spikes in the Africa line are from Reunion island reporting once a week.
Oceania is mainly New Zealand and Australia keeping the case count up.

Corners of the world

South Korea might be peaking, 2.5 million cases this week compared to 2.8 million last week. Deaths trailing behind: 2,512 this week, 1,907 last week.
Australia is creeping back up, deaths remain around 150 a week.
India is doing really well, although that's where the extra reported deaths come from 4,000 extra compared to last week. (4,504 vs 548 last week)

Europe in detail

The field is spreading out a bit. Reporting is getting less and less reliable though, big gaps and Russia and Ukraine's numbers are likely fudged and incomplete.

It's not over, but the worst should be behind us.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/spring-wave-of-covid-19-be-prepared-canada-experts-warn-1.5832740

As provinces lift COVID-19 public health measures, some experts are warning that Canada may experience another wave of infections this spring, with wastewater data in many regions showing an uptick in cases due in part to the Omicron subvariant BA.2.

Officials in Ontario, Quebec, Alberta and B.C. say wastewater analysis suggests COVID-19 infections are beginning to climb again. However, experts say it's not yet clear whether Canada's next wave will be a surge or a ripple.



SegaHeart said:

Corona talk has become less relevant since Russia invasion of Ukraine.

USA reached above 1 million deaths due to covid (official number)..... and I dont think I read about it anywhere.
(real number, is probably higher than the official ones given as well.)



Tbh I think everyone's fed up with restrictions anyway. Going by data UK was heavily affected by the pandemic due to poor decisions and handling. So the number of infections and deaths is higher than the average in EU. To be fair it is quite liberal here in the UK, so the general populace wouldn't adhere to most restrictions/guidlines. Take lockdowns and border control for example.. they were so haphazardly planned, regulated and loosely enforced, the average person in the UK wasn't going to follow anyway. Like with face coverings guidelines.. most people in the UK didn't even bother or want to to use then until then enforced a mandatory 'fine' for not wearing one. Despite being effective in preventing the spread of disease, some choose even not to. Or idiots going for drinks at the pub during a pandemic, and tabloid newspapers/Twitter mobs calling for 'last drinks' before lockdown. Astonishing stupidity, but nothing was done.

So yeah poor handling overall, but the politicians and parties won't be held accounted for. Heck, they get away with throwing parties themselves (Mr Boris Johnson+co) during their own lockdown.

Honestly though after years of restrictions, enough is enough. Lockdowns are largely meaningless unless heavily enforced and they'd have to shut down all borders for years. Which isn't feasible at the least for economy or health of people and countries. There has been enough time and vaccines available for everyone to get their jabs. Granted it is sad that people are affected by Covid - especially in the long term, there's not much else we can but to ride it out now.

Last edited by hinch - on 27 March 2022