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Pemalite on 12 July 2020
SvennoJ said:
Immersiveunreality said:

I do not know how insensitive it sounds but out of compassion i can find more peace with a person passing away after beaten ''braindead''(it is kinda a srange term) instead of those that go years and years of possible feeling trapped in their own bodies before eventually dying.

Colleague of mine had a horrible accident and had about the same,not able to move anything and no chance to recover so trapped in his own prison with possible much pain and i pray not.

I feel the same way and was relieved for my mom and dad when she finally passed. She was stuck in a home for 5 years with advanced Alzheimers, didn't know who she was anymore, didn't recognize me anymore for at least a year before she had to go in a home (violent outbursts, walking away, not being able to take care of herself nor letting my dad care for her) and could only sit in a wheelchair for the last 3 years having to be fed.

The only consolation was that hopefully her consciousness had actually gone long ago and just the body kept going. Her ability to speak was also gone yet before that the moments of coherent sentences were already far in between. (Random bits of early / mixed up memories was the last comprehensible speech)

I also pray to be spared that kind of ending for anyone. So no, that does not sound insensitive at all. The stories about Covid19 patients trapped on Ventilators for weeks on end bring up a lot of emotions. At least they put most in a medical coma and don't remember the worst.

I was an Aged/Disability Carer years back and what you describe is actually extremely common... It's also one of the reasons why I got out of that line of work because you can see the breaks in families forming... And I am doubly glad to be out of that game during the COVID era.

It's not insensitive to wish for someones pain/suffering to end, it's extremely empathic, compassionate and humane... Seeing people suffer and being nonchalant about it... That is when you should be regarded as insensitive.

SvennoJ said:

The USA is growing at about 120% change week over week.

Wasn't it supposed to maybe go away with the heat? It's summer in the North Hemisphere.
The incoherent ramblings of an idiot leader...

crissindahouse said:

I would rather invest these $8 billion more in my own military if I would be Japan. Trump basically wants all costs for these soldiers and maintenance for the equipment to be paid even though a lot of these costs would incur without having these soldiers in Japan. 

This guy and his blackmailing strategy around the world whatever it is about...ugly human being 

Yeah. That is exactly what Japan should do, invest in their own economy and support their own workers rather than hand it over to the Americans.

If the USA demanded financial retribution for staying in Australia... I would say kick them out, then they can miss out on our training and support in the pacific region.

Sadly that won't really happen due to the looming security threat that China poses, so the USA can put that kind of pressure on and get away with it.

Jaicee said:

Wanted to say something here today. There was this lady in front of me in the check-out line not long ago and another lady asked her why she didn't wear a mask. The first lady answered "Because the president doesn't want me to and I'd look like a Democrat." I thought about telling her to go jump off a bridge if she had a death wish rather than taking other people with her, but I narrowly resisted. Selfish selfish selfish selfish selfish selfish selfish selfish STUPID fucking people like that!

Just pointing out that our level of political partisanship in this country comes with a death toll. We have GOT to stop thinking of every...single...goddamn thing in terms of ideologies and party alignments or it will literally kill us! And I don't just mean the irresponsible people.

It should be a bipartisan issue, not a democrat or a republican one, everyone is in it together.

But yes, she is selfish for not thinking about the health and safety of other people, her name is probably Karen.

But it's very interesting how a percentage of people will/won't do something unless their political figurehead says "it's okay" to do it, regardless if it's the right or wrong thing to do, it's like they are unable to make their own dynamic risk assessment and think for themselves... We should all have an obligation to look after ourselves and those around us.



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EricHiggin on 13 July 2020
Pemalite said:
EricHiggin said:

And when the power goes out to a hospital, and the back up generators unfortunately don't fire up, who get's up in the middle of the night and does what's necessary to get the power back up asap for those needy people? Or maybe an old folks home in the middle of the freezing winter or dead heat of summer. Gotta fix the pole line in this case? Mother nature doesn't care. The storm ain't going anywhere, so save yourself, them, or try to do both as safely as possible. Sometimes all don't get saved, and sometimes the help goes along with them.

Luckily for Earth there's more than just one superhero..

Though I, respect that you do what you do.

You do know what an essential worker is right? Going into lockdown does not mean and has not ever meant any of that halts... Meaning your entire argument is non-sequitur.


If you truly respect what I do, put other people first for once, wear a mask, conform to social distancing, be sanitary, don't be selfish.

What? Your doings are justification, and mine are not, because...? Ah. I see now.

Anything for you, your moral highness..



Pemalite on 13 July 2020
EricHiggin said:
Pemalite said:

You do know what an essential worker is right? Going into lockdown does not mean and has not ever meant any of that halts... Meaning your entire argument is non-sequitur.


If you truly respect what I do, put other people first for once, wear a mask, conform to social distancing, be sanitary, don't be selfish.

What? Your doings are justification, and mine are not, because...? Ah. I see now.

Anything for you, your moral highness..

Do I need to explain what an essential worker is? I got time to kill.



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crissindahouse on 13 July 2020

Die hard Trump supporters are always the best. Everything is bad until he does it, then it's the best and what makes America great.

And never forget: "America first" has to be a part of everything.



JRPGfan on 13 July 2020
Pemalite said:
EricHiggin said:

What? Your doings are justification, and mine are not, because...? Ah. I see now.

Anything for you, your moral highness..

Do I need to explain what an essential worker is? I got time to kill.

DeSantis says WWC wrestlers are! so it must be true!
Wrestle mania here I come. Also a fantastic time to reopen Disney World, and Schools.



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haxxiy on 13 July 2020

While I understand the need of caution, airborne transmission seems to be a minor chance or fluke at best for SARS-CoV-2 if it's even proven to occur at all. Pertussis and measles, for instance, are true airborne diseases and the difference in rate of contagion is insane. They can double or triple the number of people infected literally every day if let loose in an non-immunized population.

Also, a small side curiosity. I've seen the case report of a man who contracted conjunctivitis from his girlfriend, ahem, passing gas to his face (you can imagine the sexual acts involved on your own). So, a warning on another airborne bacterial disease to you right there.



 

 

 

 

 

JRPGfan on 13 July 2020
haxxiy said:

While I understand the need of caution, airborne transmission seems to be a minor chance or fluke at best for SARS-CoV-2 if it's even proven to occur at all. Pertussis and measles, for instance, are true airborne diseases and the difference in rate of contagion is insane. They can double or triple the number of people infected literally every day if let loose in an non-immunized population.

Also, a small side curiosity. I've seen the case report of a man who contracted conjunctivitis from his girlfriend, ahem, passing gas to his face (you can imagine the sexual acts involved on your own). So, a warning on another airborne bacterial disease to you right there.

You mean the "just beathing" part? vs a sneeze or a caugh?

I remember reading that only 40% of transmitions are from touching things (droplets on a surface area, and then you touching your face).
While the remaining 60% of infections is from someone sneezeing, caughing, breathing near you.

Its why you shouldn't gather in large crowds insides, and why being outsides is so good.
The blowing air, removes all those small particles that just hang around inside a room without ventilation.
Which then massively reduces chances of getting infected (ei. less infections out than in)

Same with sunlight, if your outsides in the sun, not only will the air blow away those particles, the sunlight does quick work with it.
This means that being outsides in daylight is safer than being outsides when its dark.

"Also, a small side curiosity. I've seen the case report of a man who contracted conjunctivitis from his girlfriend, ahem, passing gas to his face (you can imagine the sexual acts involved on your own). So, a warning on another airborne bacterial disease to you right there."

You can find liveing virus in excrement (poop), and the gases from toilets too.
Thats why you shouldn't be useing public restrooms if you can avoid it, during this pandemic.
in spain? they looked at sewage samples to determine when then virus got to spain, and actually found it had been there longer than they previously thought.

Wasn't there like a warning about guys that like to eat ass, getting infected from it? so they recammended people use a condom (for the tongue) while doing so. Lmao.

But yes, supposedly someone can fart, and infect others.

Outsides + daylight + everyone wearing mask = about as safe as you can be.
Unless you choose to just avoid contact with anyone else at all.



JRPGfan on 13 July 2020

These are from 1918 :

(when you caugh and sneeze, your infecting others)



Please dont caugh or sneeze into your hands, because we know you cant help yourself and touch things. Infecting others.
Please acknowledge that you have a social responsiblity, not to harm others (or infect them) so act accordingly.

Please wear a mask, and wear it correctly (ei. we re tried of seeing mofo's wearing it on their chins, or with their noses out).
Also here's a easy way to make one, yourself.

look at the guidelines.

Dont talk right into another persons face.
Dont shake hands.
Caugh/sneeze/spit into a handkerchief (or elbow nowadays as no one carries handkerchiefs anymore)
Stay home if you suspect you have even mild symptoms.
You have a social responsibility, to do everything in your own power not to infect or risk infecting others.

Still relevant today.

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jason1637 on 13 July 2020

California basically going back to shutdown.




SvennoJ on 13 July 2020
JRPGfan said:
haxxiy said:

While I understand the need of caution, airborne transmission seems to be a minor chance or fluke at best for SARS-CoV-2 if it's even proven to occur at all. Pertussis and measles, for instance, are true airborne diseases and the difference in rate of contagion is insane. They can double or triple the number of people infected literally every day if let loose in an non-immunized population.

Also, a small side curiosity. I've seen the case report of a man who contracted conjunctivitis from his girlfriend, ahem, passing gas to his face (you can imagine the sexual acts involved on your own). So, a warning on another airborne bacterial disease to you right there.

You mean the "just beathing" part? vs a sneeze or a caugh?

I remember reading that only 40% of transmitions are from touching things (droplets on a surface area, and then you touching your face).
While the remaining 60% of infections is from someone sneezeing, caughing, breathing near you.

Its why you shouldn't gather in large crowds insides, and why being outsides is so good.
The blowing air, removes all those small particles that just hang around inside a room without ventilation.
Which then massively reduces chances of getting infected (ei. less infections out than in)

Same with sunlight, if your outsides in the sun, not only will the air blow away those particles, the sunlight does quick work with it.
This means that being outsides in daylight is safer than being outsides when its dark.

Outsides + daylight + everyone wearing mask = about as safe as you can be.
Unless you choose to just avoid contact with anyone else at all.

The sun doesn't kill Sars-Cov-2, UV-C light does but it gets filtered out by the ozone layer. UV-C light will damage your skin and eyes. However the sun does evaporate the water droplets leaving the virus with nothing to stay on. I'm not sure what happens with it then. That also seem relevant now has been proven that dogs can sniff out Sars-Cov-2 from sweat. Sweat dries up or falls off, what happens to the virus.
https://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/dogs-can-smell-covid-19-in-human-sweat/

Although it doesn't say there's actually active virus in sweat. Not much is known yet about that route of transmission
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/1535370220935409
Based on the minimal previous research on the viruses closest to SARS-CoV-2, it is recommended that sweat as a possible route of transmission for SARS-CoV-2 be investigated. Given that ACE2, the entry point for SARS-CoV-2 into human cells, is relatively abundant in the skin, additional work should examine whether skin absorption of SARS-CoV-2 occurs, and whether such absorption can cause infection. Together, such investigations will enable either the ruling out of sweat, or absorption through skin, as methods of transmission, or will allow for formulations of mitigation strategies and appropriate public health messaging.

Kinda important when indoor gyms re-open again.

Humidity is high here in summer, which seems to be good for the virus to stay alive longer in the air. Outside the risk is minimal anyway, plenty wind here as well. Yet going inside a stuffy smallish building, no thanks. However my province is set to go to phase 3 this Friday, basically most places will be open again and far fewer restrictions on gatherings except the ban on large events.

https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/nearly-all-businesses-can-reopen-in-ontario-on-friday-toronto-area-excluded-1.5021599

Nearly all businesses, including gyms, movie theatres and indoor dining, can reopen on Friday in parts of Ontario, except for the Toronto-area and a few other regions, as the province enters Stage 3 through a regional approach. Indoor gathering limits will increase from 10 to a maximum of 50 people, while outdoor gathering limits will increase to a maximum of 100 people.

There will still be restrictions on nightclubs and no amusement parks etc. My county will open up again while still dealing with the aftermath of an outbreak at a local home improvement store. We seemed to have been done with it at 118 local cases, currently at 133. Reported cases are now also far younger, the same shift as in the USA. Requiring less hospitalizations, but the virus is still spreading and likely the ratio of undetected cases has only gone up with mild symptoms going unreported.

Still going down slowly, about 125 new cases a day in Ontario atm.

Good enough? ... I'm staying outside whenever possible.