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FL Gov. DeSantis is crossing his fingers and toes, and hopeing these sillly 20-30 something adults, stop going to beach parties and haveing social interactions.
Thats all thats needed to stop the spread.... he wont close down anything to slow spread.

and




Texas Gov. Greg Abbott, was worried and did the logically thing, closed down indoor resturants, and bars, where spread was happending.
What happends next? The people that own bars are sueing him.


Damned if you do, damned if you dont.
Do you want us to try saveing you? please dont sue us for it!



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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/30/us-buys-up-world-stock-of-key-covid-19-drug

"The US has bought up virtually all the stocks for the next three months of one of the two drugs proven to work against Covid-19, leaving none for the UK, Europe or most of the rest of the world."

What the hell america? isnt there enough for everyone is we just spread it around as needed and buy as needed?
Why by up 3months worth, leaveing none for anyone else? and in the proccess hurt europe and other nations that might need it?


“They’ve got access to most of the drug supply [of remdesivir], so there’s nothing for Europe,” said Dr Andrew Hill, senior visiting research fellow at Liverpool University."

"Remdesivir, the first drug approved by licensing authorities in the US to treat Covid-19, is made by Gilead and has been shown to help people recover faster from the disease. The first 140,000 doses, supplied to drug trials around the world, have been used up. The Trump administration has now bought more than 500,000 doses, which is all of Gilead’s production for July and 90% of August and September."


The entire world, had to share 140,000 doses of it, and now USA is takeing the next 500,000 doses,
leaveing none for the rest of the world for 3months+ time?

"The drug, which was invented for Ebola but failed to work, is under patent to Gilead, which means no other company in wealthy countries can make it. The cost is around $3,200 per treatment of six doses, according to the US government statement."

1) what the hell do you need 500,000 dozes of it for? the USA doesnt have that many critical ill with covid19 in ICU beds does it?
2)  if 6 doses is $3200 that means 500,000 / 6 = 83,333 x $3200  =  $266,666,666 USD spent.  Wow thats not cheap.

"Canadian prime minister Justin Trudeau warned there could be unintended negative consequences if the US continued to outbid its allies. “We know it is in both of our interests to work collaboratively and cooperatively to keep our citizens safe,” he said. The Trump administration has also invoked the Defense Production Act to block some medical goods made in the US from being sent abroad."

Nothing looks likely to prevent the US cornering the market in remdesivir, however. “This is the first major approved drug, and where is the mechanism for access?” said Dr Hill. “Once again we’re at the back of the queue.”

Last edited by JRPGfan - on 30 June 2020

JRPGfan said:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/30/us-buys-up-world-stock-of-key-covid-19-drug

"The US has bought up virtually all the stocks for the next three months of one of the two drugs proven to work against Covid-19, leaving none for the UK, Europe or most of the rest of the world."

What the hell america? isnt there enough for everyone is we just spread it around as needed and buy as needed?
Why by up 3months worth, leaveing none for anyone else? and in the proccess hurt europe and other nations that might need it?


“They’ve got access to most of the drug supply [of remdesivir], so there’s nothing for Europe,” said Dr Andrew Hill, senior visiting research fellow at Liverpool University."

"Remdesivir, the first drug approved by licensing authorities in the US to treat Covid-19, is made by Gilead and has been shown to help people recover faster from the disease. The first 140,000 doses, supplied to drug trials around the world, have been used up. The Trump administration has now bought more than 500,000 doses, which is all of Gilead’s production for July and 90% of August and September."


The entire world, had to share 140,000 doses of it, and now USA is takeing the next 500,000 doses,
leaveing none for the rest of the world for 3months+ time?

"The drug, which was invented for Ebola but failed to work, is under patent to Gilead, which means no other company in wealthy countries can make it. The cost is around $3,200 per treatment of six doses, according to the US government statement."

1) what the hell do you need 500,000 dozes of it for? the USA doesnt have that many critical ill with covid19 in ICU beds does it?
2)  if 6 doses is $3200 that means 500,000 / 6 = 83,333 x $3200  =  $266,666,666 USD spent.  Wow thats not cheap.

"Canadian prime minister Justin Trudeau warned there could be unintended negative consequences if the US continued to outbid its allies. “We know it is in both of our interests to work collaboratively and cooperatively to keep our citizens safe,” he said. The Trump administration has also invoked the Defense Production Act to block some medical goods made in the US from being sent abroad."

Nothing looks likely to prevent the US cornering the market in remdesivir, however. “This is the first major approved drug, and where is the mechanism for access?” said Dr Hill. “Once again we’re at the back of the queue.”

I'm not getting my hopes up for a timely vaccine. As early as October sure, for whoever has the biggest debt to throw towards it. 

Btw wasn't dexamethasone the new thing to help fight covid19?
https://www.recoverytrial.net/files/recovery_dexamethasone_statement_160620_v2final.pdf

Anyway that $3200 will be charged to who receives the treatment plus administration fees, delivery fees, coffee break fees etc.



JRPGfan said:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/30/us-buys-up-world-stock-of-key-covid-19-drug

"The US has bought up virtually all the stocks for the next three months of one of the two drugs proven to work against Covid-19, leaving none for the UK, Europe or most of the rest of the world."

What the hell america? isnt there enough for everyone is we just spread it around as needed and buy as needed?
Why by up 3months worth, leaveing none for anyone else? and in the proccess hurt europe and other nations that might need it?


“They’ve got access to most of the drug supply [of remdesivir], so there’s nothing for Europe,” said Dr Andrew Hill, senior visiting research fellow at Liverpool University."

"Remdesivir, the first drug approved by licensing authorities in the US to treat Covid-19, is made by Gilead and has been shown to help people recover faster from the disease. The first 140,000 doses, supplied to drug trials around the world, have been used up. The Trump administration has now bought more than 500,000 doses, which is all of Gilead’s production for July and 90% of August and September."


The entire world, had to share 140,000 doses of it, and now USA is takeing the next 500,000 doses,
leaveing none for the rest of the world for 3months+ time?

"The drug, which was invented for Ebola but failed to work, is under patent to Gilead, which means no other company in wealthy countries can make it. The cost is around $3,200 per treatment of six doses, according to the US government statement."

1) what the hell do you need 500,000 dozes of it for? the USA doesnt have that many critical ill with covid19 in ICU beds does it?
2)  if 6 doses is $3200 that means 500,000 / 6 = 83,333 x $3200  =  $266,666,666 USD spent.  Wow thats not cheap.

"Canadian prime minister Justin Trudeau warned there could be unintended negative consequences if the US continued to outbid its allies. “We know it is in both of our interests to work collaboratively and cooperatively to keep our citizens safe,” he said. The Trump administration has also invoked the Defense Production Act to block some medical goods made in the US from being sent abroad."

Nothing looks likely to prevent the US cornering the market in remdesivir, however. “This is the first major approved drug, and where is the mechanism for access?” said Dr Hill. “Once again we’re at the back of the queue.”

Because the USA failed to lock down it's economy and defeat the virus, flattening the curve and instead put money ahead of life... It's basically decided to punish those nations who did put life before money?

I mean, the USA needs to put the USA first, but that is just selfish.

What this might result in is other countries seeing that an over-reliance on American health technology is a bad thing and simply stop buying and investing with the USA in favor of other options, like Chinese... You know. Eggs and baskets and all that.
Ultimately the USA will loose out in the long term.

Is it safe to say that Trump is taking a popularity beating in the USA with his mishandling of COVID?



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USA as always. No reason to be surprised. Wouldn't even surprise me if they would just resell half of it to other nations for twice the price.

Also sucks that people have to die because of a combination of a patent and the inability of the patent holder to produce enough.



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Yesterday we were told a lab tech was "slow" to update numbers in florida, so we wouldn't get the "full" amount of new cases that day.
So Florida only reported 6000+ cases.

Yet America was at 46,042 dail cases of covid19.
Theres a good chance the real number is 50,000+, ei flordia alone is missing 3000-4000 cases reported.

I dont think the USA has ever been above 50k has it? Brazil has done it once (where it added up some weeks old cases ontop of another day).
I think its a new record, 1st nation to get 50k cases daily.



Pemalite said:

Is it safe to say that Trump is taking a popularity beating in the USA with his mishandling of COVID?

Yes, and I fear that's the only thing safe about the US right now...



Switzerland might be on the rise again after Bars and Nightclubs opened up again.
One Nightclub was entirely shut down after authorities were unable to track possible new Covid carriers. Although these businesses are mandated to keep a tracking list of all the guest, authorities were unable to track down all the "Donald Duck"s,"Peter Parker"s, "Green Goblin"s and Whatnot that attended this club ( and their corresponding emails were not helpful either.



JRPGfan said:
Yesterday we were told a lab tech was "slow" to update numbers in florida, so we wouldn't get the "full" amount of new cases that day.
So Florida only reported 6000+ cases.

Yet America was at 46,042 dail cases of covid19.
Theres a good chance the real number is 50,000+, ei flordia alone is missing 3000-4000 cases reported.

I dont think the USA has ever been above 50k has it? Brazil has done it once (where it added up some weeks old cases ontop of another day).
I think its a new record, 1st nation to get 50k cases daily.

Nope, USA's peak so far was 47,341, last Friday.
Brazil had that 55.2K peak after only reporting 23K the day before.
The single day record for the world is 181,005 (June 19th) which will soon be beat, either today or tomorrow.

Sweden's numbers are even more messed up now, worldometer started following their strategy to also cast reported deaths into the past. I guess they don't report the deaths until confirmed for covid-19 days later? The effect is that the 7 day average is not 'stable' until over 2 weeks after. So now reported cases lag up to a week behind (also no reporting from Friday to Monday), reported deaths up to 16 days (with 7 day average). The effect is that when ever you look at the graphs they always end near the bottom, suggesting all is going great...

Moving reported deaths around and changing what 'counts' is happening a lot atm. I don't trust many countries' numbers much anymore. I guess there is too much at stake for honest reporting.

Here Toronto is now making mask mandatory in indoor spaces, yet at the same time the health ministry is saying it's not necessary
Toronto city council approved a bylaw Tuesday that makes face coverings mandatory in indoor public spaces.
Ontario's health ministry has rejected a call by some municipal leaders for a provincial mandatory mask policy, saying it "isn't necessary" to require all residents to wear face masks when they are indoors in public spaces in large urban centres.
But they say it would have helped earlier...

These conflicting messages only make things worse. If it would have helped earlier, it would help now to prevent or slow down a resurgence. It's not gone, it's still moving around within the younger population. Less symptoms, less go get tested... In the mean time Doug Ford is ready to move onto the phase 3 of re-openings.

Air Canada laid off 20,000 workers and stopped service to 8 cities as well as suspended 30 regional routes. And while Canadians are now welcome again in Europe, Canada still keeps its borders closed to all foreign travelers until July 31st (USA until July 21st for now, separate arrangement...) The government still advises everyone to avoid all non-essential travel outside of the country.