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chakkra said:
curl-6 said:

Most of the cases in Victoria weren't linked to the protests. More were connected to family gatherings and people not self-isolating while awaiting test results. So still idiotic, but contrary to what the a lot of the media and the Liberal Party are claiming, the spike wasn't precipitated by the BLM protests.

Hmm... and what prompted families in Victoria to gather more than in the other states? and why people not self-isolating while awaiting test results would affect Victoria more than the others?

Our numbers were already higher than other states before the spike, so there was probably just more infected people to spread it.

They had protests in other states too without resulting spikes.



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Chris Hu said:
sethnintendo said:

200k deaths is nothing. We need 5+ billion deaths.

No disease could cause that many deaths.  A giant meteor maybe.

Or the incoming Climate change

https://www.resilience.org/stories/2020-06-08/collapse-of-civilisation-is-the-most-likely-outcome-top-climate-scientists/

Eventually Earth may only be able to support less than 1 billion 

We have been rightfully worried about this pandemic, but something bigger is coming over the horizon 

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Oxford's vaccine is on track for an October release, with thousands already receiving it as part of Phase III trials

https://www.timesnownews.com/health/article/oxfords-covid19-vaccine-shows-very-good-results-in-trials-on-track-for-october-release-project-leader/611566



So apparently transmition eating out (dinner/resturant) are over 20 times higher, eating insides, instead of outsides.
Basically all eating should be done outsides if possible. Move some of the parking spaces, and put out tables and parasols, and have people eat outsides. Much safer.



Rab said:
Chris Hu said:

No disease could cause that many deaths.  A giant meteor maybe.

Or the incoming Climate change

https://www.resilience.org/stories/2020-06-08/collapse-of-civilisation-is-the-most-likely-outcome-top-climate-scientists/

Eventually Earth may only be able to support less than 1 billion 

We have been rightfully worried about this pandemic, but something bigger is coming over the horizon 

Don't think the effects of climate change are going to be that bad it mainly will affect people living at or near coasts and some low lying countries like Bangladesh will become unlivable due to rising sea levels and constant floods.  I wonder what happened to the guy that predicted we would all die due to global warming a few years ago since it would release all the methane trapped in perma frost and would make the atmosphere deadly to humans.



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Shadow1980 said:

In related news, my sister discovered the "Bill Gates will use COVID-19 vaccines to implant us with microchips" conspiracy that's been making the rounds, and, predictably, she decided that sounds completely plausible. Of course, she also thinks the outbreak itself is a made-up hoax just to control people. I swear, how in the blue hell does anyone come to believe in ridiculous bullshit like that? She's one of those people who never saw a conspiracy theory they thought was ridiculous, like we're living in the world of The X-Files or something. I just don't understand the mindset of people who believe in conspiracy theories. Considering how screwy my family is, I wonder how I turned out the exact opposite.

This is really frightening to hear, really happy there's only very few people here believing such theories. I really hope they're not trying to force you to see the world their screwed way.



Chris Hu said:
Rab said:

Or the incoming Climate change

https://www.resilience.org/stories/2020-06-08/collapse-of-civilisation-is-the-most-likely-outcome-top-climate-scientists/

Eventually Earth may only be able to support less than 1 billion 

We have been rightfully worried about this pandemic, but something bigger is coming over the horizon 

Don't think the effects of climate change are going to be that bad it mainly will affect people living at or near coasts and some low lying countries like Bangladesh will become unlivable due to rising sea levels and constant floods.  I wonder what happened to the guy that predicted we would all die due to global warming a few years ago since it would release all the methane trapped in perma frost and would make the atmosphere deadly to humans.

The effects are not that fast, humans don't seem to be capable to think further ahead than the next election at the most.

https://www.popsci.com/story/environment/permafrost-release-methane-debate/

Last month, climate scientists reported in Nature Geoscience that these areas of abrupt melt could vastly increase the amount of carbon dioxide and methane released from the ancient carbon stores in permafrost. Under a high emissions future climate scenario, the total area of abrupt thaw reached 1.6 million square kilometers by 2100, and to 2.5 million square kilometers by 2300 (that’s 0.6 million and 1.0 million square miles, respectively). While less than five percent of permafrost lands experience this abrupt thawing, they produce almost half the emissions as gradually-thawing areas, which cover a much greater extent. Current climate models don’t include this rapid thaw process, but the authors conclude that counting it could double previous estimates of carbon emissions from permafrost thaw.

Doesn't mean we should act now. Oh whatever, I'll be dead by 2100.

It won't only effect people living near the coast, it's getting bloody hot and dry here in summer with an increase in tornado risk and I'm 3,000 km from the coast. Spring and flash flooding are on the rise as well, once those tropical hurricane remnants come over or from the rapid spring melt.

Humans will adapt anyway, slowly migrate North. Northern Canada, Russia, Greenland are all still there to be settled.



^^^ the Brazilian government has already placed an order for about 30 million doses of the AstraZeneca - Oxford vaccine for December and January, pending a positive result in the phase III trials. It does seem indeed to be the most advanced one.

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Some more good news on the prospect of T-cell mediated immunity:

https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-35331/v1

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.29.174888v1

The studies suggest not only there are more people with T-cell mediated response to SARS-CoV-2 than there are with antibodies (meaning a lower IFR), but also reinforce previous research concerning cross-reactivity with the response generated to the other human coronaviruses, present in about 80% of people. This was correlated to a milder course of disease, as opposed to an ADE mechanism making it more severe, as some had feared.

It could also explain why precisely some 80% of people seem to be asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic and children immunity as well, since they contract 6 - 12 colds every year, and thus have very strong learned immune responses at all times.

On the other hand, complete immunity to human coronaviruses seem to last for just about a year, on average:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.11.20086439v2.full.pdf

Although the previous studies concerning T-cells might be of some consolation, since these last far longer than plasmocyte antibodies and will lead to milder or asymptomatic reinfections as long as they are present.



 

 

 

 

 

Well let's hope that T-cell immunity comes through. Hopefully those papers get peer reviewed quickly and studied further. The world isn't waiting for a vaccine or trying very hard to eliminate the spread.

Europe is going to allow foreign citizens in as early as tomorrow.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/canadians-will-be-allowed-to-visit-eu-countries-soon-while-americans-have-to-wait-1.5005373

The list of countries included in the recommendations are: Algeria, Australia, Canada, Georgia, Japan, Montenegro, Morocco, New Zealand, Rwanda, Serbia, South Korea, Thailand, Tunisia, Uruguay.

I'm not going anywhere, staying put. The uptick in Ontario was from a farm again, this time in Windsor-Essex on the US border (next to Michigan). Calgary is dealing with an outbreak in a condo complex. It's still far too easy for this to flare up again. It's not gone, it's lingering on as symptomatic cases in the younger population, ready to jump over to more vulnerable people at any moment it seems :/



Fauci is Predicting that U.S could soon see 100,000 daily cases, if nothing changes.....

Sounds bleak.
Alot of places they are now starting to run out of ICU beds, or predict it will happend early July.

Chances of a 2nd lockdown in the US? what do you guys think?