NYC is scheduled to reopen on June 8th but with the massive protests I think its gonna get pushed back.

Basically poppers? The gay community will love this.

You gather like a million people to run around in mass groups to protest, and its gonna spread the virus.

Theres a lag until people start developeing symptoms, and show up at hospitals to get tested.
Then 2-3 weeks lateron you'll see deaths due to covid19 climb.

This protest could/will potentially cause thusands of people to die.

So I hope the Black Lives matter movement  gets something out of it, and doesnt quit halfway though, and nothing good comes from it.
If a month from now, this is all just forgotten and nothing changed (reforms) then... thats too depressing to express.

And yes, this will push back NYC and its re-opening.
Infection numbers will climb, and cuomo wil say "we follow the data" ect.

I believe Trumpstyle just fools us. No way he looks at like 50 deaths a day and when there is suddenly a day with 0 reported deaths it's a "no death in Sweden today" for him.

With so many countries trying to hide some deaths or poor countries simply not able to recognize even close to the real numbers I wonder how many really died already.

It's possible, but the discussion is still important, you'd be surprised to see how many are defending the current situation here on a daily basis.

I too believe that many more have died. Direct deaths are one thing, but I think many are focusing on the health implications of increased rates of unemployment when the real trouble is more direct in that overworked and overcrowded hospitals lead to low human resources and perhaps downright degradation over time. Especially having so many in ICU's over an extended period of time takes a huge toll on the system overall, ICU patients require much more resources per patient regardless of their main symptoms.

One of the kids at work (I work in a psychiatric treatment facility) got acute stomach pains and I had to take him to the nearest eligible emergency room. When we arrived, they turned us back and refused to see him since he wasn't sick enough to be allowed entry, they directed us towards our designated doctor's office. We tried calling them but couldn't get through on the phone at all, the message simply read that the phone services were choked and we should try later or go online for a consultation. I ended up physically driving to the doctor's office and rang the doorbell (it's closed for entry without a staff escort, anyone with cold or flu symptoms are denied entry at all), I spoke with a nurse and explained our situation, she took his info and promised to call us. They did call, two hours later, offering a set time the day after, which we had no choice but to accept. With acute symptoms, this isn't all that helpful, especially given that this kid has a history of problems with his digestive system and alarmingly low values on certain nutrients, vitamins, and minerals (he doesn't take up iron very well, for instance). If he had been suffering from something serious, it could have gone much worse, but luckily it didn't.

Even when the commitment-to-capacity ratio in ICU's are in the 70-80% region (percentual capacity of the total, that is), the entire system grinds to a halt. I think people are underestimating how much the gears of society are affected even if it's not deemed a domestic disaster. And this is in countries where the healthcare system functions more or less as it should in normal times, one can imagine the effects on nations and regions with much poorer prospects and safety nets/systems.

Cafes and restaurants have reopened today here. Provided they can put 1.5 meters between tables and there's a maximum of I believe 30 people inside (outside there's no limit). So are musea, churches/religeous institutions, theatres and cinemas. For those last three as well with a maximum of 30 people in the audience per show. Tomorrow high schools will reopen, right in time for summer holiday I guess. Public transport will resume it's normal timetables from today, though inside vehicles it's mandatory to wear a facemask for the time being.

EDIT:

This is the 'roadmap' the government set up for reopening everything (almost, it's not truly complete, opening of zoos and themeparks for example fell under 'step 1'), obviously in Dutch, and I could write up a translation if anyone wants me to, though maybe you can make out what it means anyway.

I was wondering if anyone would notice that lol. But yeah, pretty important branch of business.

Also gotta keep up the Dutch stereotype.

September 1st, second wave would be there by then. Those coffee shops will stay closed. What do the Dutch do atm to get their stuff. I get mine delivered to the post office here. Order online, show your driver's license and pick up the package as it was before. Much easier (and safer) than getting booze. There's always a line for the LCBO and beer store. They were deemed essential so never closed, only the returns were on hold for a month and hours were slightly reduced.

I guess the high school kids are happy they schools re-open just in time for exams lol.

No idea, I don't use it. To be honest in reality there aren't that many people that actually do use it to any alarming degree (or at all), it's not really 'cool' enough because you can just get it at a store I suppose.

It's more for medicinal purpose, much better than Toradol. I guess the coffee shops don't sell bottled oils anyway. You used to need a medical card to get it here but now it's also for recreational use the prices are lower and you can simply order online.

People drink a lot in the Netherlands from what I remember, which you can even get at the supermarket over there. That's still 'cool' haha :) When I was in university gas stations still sold beer in the Netherlands. A bit of a stretch with DUIs and all, but very much appreciated by students coming home from the fraternity at 1 in the morning and want to keep on drinking lol. The 24h gas station next to campus did good business.