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crissindahouse said:
I believe Trumpstyle just fools us. No way he looks at like 50 deaths a day and when there is suddenly a day with 0 reported deaths it's a "no death in Sweden today" for him.

With so many countries trying to hide some deaths or poor countries simply not able to recognize even close to the real numbers I wonder how many really died already.

It's possible, but the discussion is still important, you'd be surprised to see how many are defending the current situation here on a daily basis.

I too believe that many more have died. Direct deaths are one thing, but I think many are focusing on the health implications of increased rates of unemployment when the real trouble is more direct in that overworked and overcrowded hospitals lead to low human resources and perhaps downright degradation over time. Especially having so many in ICU's over an extended period of time takes a huge toll on the system overall, ICU patients require much more resources per patient regardless of their main symptoms.

One of the kids at work (I work in a psychiatric treatment facility) got acute stomach pains and I had to take him to the nearest eligible emergency room. When we arrived, they turned us back and refused to see him since he wasn't sick enough to be allowed entry, they directed us towards our designated doctor's office. We tried calling them but couldn't get through on the phone at all, the message simply read that the phone services were choked and we should try later or go online for a consultation. I ended up physically driving to the doctor's office and rang the doorbell (it's closed for entry without a staff escort, anyone with cold or flu symptoms are denied entry at all), I spoke with a nurse and explained our situation, she took his info and promised to call us. They did call, two hours later, offering a set time the day after, which we had no choice but to accept. With acute symptoms, this isn't all that helpful, especially given that this kid has a history of problems with his digestive system and alarmingly low values on certain nutrients, vitamins, and minerals (he doesn't take up iron very well, for instance). If he had been suffering from something serious, it could have gone much worse, but luckily it didn't.

Even when the commitment-to-capacity ratio in ICU's are in the 70-80% region (percentual capacity of the total, that is), the entire system grinds to a halt. I think people are underestimating how much the gears of society are affected even if it's not deemed a domestic disaster. And this is in countries where the healthcare system functions more or less as it should in normal times, one can imagine the effects on nations and regions with much poorer prospects and safety nets/systems.