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Big post incoming, I read through the detailed report on the USA, here are the highlights.
https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/medicine/mrc-gida/2020-05-21-COVID19-Report-23.pdf


They adjusted their models to all the current data available and for the first time tried to find a correlation between population density and attack rates.


It's a crude comparison, based on state population density.

We find that the starting reproduction number is associated with population density and the chronological date of epi-demiconset. These two relationships suggest two dimensions which may influence the starting reproduction number and underscore the variability between states. We are cautious to draw any causal relationships from these associations; our results highlight that more additional studies of these factors are need at finer spatial scales.


The current situation in the states can be summed up into where the virus is now under control and where it is still growing


Purple means 100% chance Rt is still above one, growth. Drak green Rt certain under 1.0, control.


A more detailed look into the big 5

On the left, projected deaths in blue, reported deaths in the brown bars
In the middle, projected infections in blue, reported cases in brown bars. (many more missed cases in the beginning, still many missed)
On the right the estimated reproduction number Rt showing the effect of measures taken.

The decline is slowing down, heading back to growth now things are opening up again which also shows in my data which currently has the USA sitting at a 3 day avg week over week change of 97.2%. Still slight decline, but that has been shrinking since May 10th where it bottomed at 82.5% week over week decline.


The estimated percentage of infected people for all states on May 17th

New york has the highest rate of infection at an estimated 16.6% of the population infected. Still far short of herd immunity and could still get 4 times as bad.


They also estimated the number of infectious people in each state (currently spreading the virus)

Illinois is currently thought to have the most infectious people walking around.
1.3 million people currently able to spread sars-cov-2 in the USA.


And finally they discuss projections for the future, the effect of re-openings and relaxing restrictions

Even at constant mobility (keeping things as is right nw) can already cause a second wave.
Going back to normal will certainly escalate things again by the end of June.

They note, however, that these are pessimistic projections. The 20% and 40% return of mobility do not take any ongoing measures (mask wearing, keeping distance, frequent hand washing, adjusted workplaces) into account. The problem is that the situation as it is now already is hardly under control.

More details in here
https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/medicine/mrc-gida/2020-05-21-COVID19-Report-23.pdf



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Ka-pi96 said:
John2290 said:

You're drastically underestimating how many people are on this planet right now and are here, alive and healthy because of that standard of living. You strip away the economy that allowed them to be fucked into existence and you pull away their life support. You're also severely over estimating the governments ability, competence and stability, they can't save us from a depression anymore than they can save us fron the virus.

Yes, Life is more important but I'm saying food is important to life. Work is important to money. Money is important to buy food and so it goes around in a circle. 

Are you suggesting that the governments cease the means of production and then take a whip, make people produce food and then distribute it to everyone for the next decade? Great idea, we'll see how long it takes for a new system to be put in place after the current is torn to pieces and we loose a great deal of lives in the process.  

Actually, you're drastically overestimating them. They're probably a negative number, since countries with lower standards of living typically have higher population growth rates. ie. there are actually less people alive and health in 1st world countries, because of the high standard of living.

Why would the government need to force people to produce food? They're going to do that anyway. And they're going to sell it anyway. And if people don't have as much money as they did before then prices will go down to match people's spending power. That's how economies work normally. Why would it stop doing that all of a sudden now?

Unless government "prints" so much money that the money becomes worthless then we can be like Germany pre WW2.  Not going to happen anytime soon but debt is accelerating at an alarming pace.  We had annual deficits around half a trillion when Obama left then that deficit blew up with tax cuts to rich and corporations and increased military spending.  Now we are pushing 1 trillion annual not including all the recent legislation for corona virus.  I believe this year USA will be at 4-5 trillion added debt in just one year.



Pemalite said:
JFC. Life > Economy.
Why is this even up for debate? Seriously.

Shitty economy and finances make it harder to live. An conversation about reopening safety is ine we should be having. We cant be closed until a vaccine. 



jason1637 said:
Pemalite said:
JFC. Life > Economy.
Why is this even up for debate? Seriously.

Shitty economy and finances make it harder to live. An conversation about reopening safety is ine we should be having. We cant be closed until a vaccine. 

You can stay closed until numbers drop enough to open up safely, as many countries have shown. Some countries opted to open up again before numbers were decreasing, gaining them justified criticism, because opening up will basically cancel out everything they gained from the lockdown, essentially taking an economic hit for nothing while still having high deaths.



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Some updates about Germany:

Less than 1000 people in ICUs
Testing capacity has increased but not by a whole lot. 425k tests conducted during the past week. Only 1.7% turned out to be positive.
6 out of 16 federal states have less than 10 cases a day (5 out of those have less than 5 cases a day). City state Bremen is the worst performing state as of late on a per capita basis. (over 3 times worse than the next state, Bavaria).
R0 is estimated to be about 0.85.



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Barozi said:
Some updates about Germany:

Less than 1000 people in ICUs
Testing capacity has increased but not by a whole lot. 425k tests conducted during the past week. Only 1.7% turned out to be positive.
6 out of 16 federal states have less than 10 cases a day (5 out of those have less than 5 cases a day). City state Bremen is the worst performing state as of late on a per capita basis. (over 3 times worse than the next state, Bavaria).
R0 is estimated to be about 0.85.

Yep, Germany is doing well.

On a weekly average Germany is down to 624 reported cases per day and 59 deaths per day.
The 3 day average decline currently is 80.8% week over week, or 0.970x per day, halving time of just over 3 weeks.
It went up a bit though this week, week over week decline was at 69% last Friday and bottomed at 57% on May 2nd.

Comparing estimates for how many infected there should still be based on deaths:
0.7% IFR at 59 deaths per day -> 8,400 cases per day 15 days ago.
The reported cases went down 31% compared to 15 days ago, thus about 5,800 newly infected today (almost 10 times more than detected)

Of course IFR for Germany could be higher or maybe even lower but it seems reasonable coming out at 9.3x more infections than detected.
(Some countries that number will be a lot higher, yet Germany is doing a great job at testing)




Took the covid antibody shot today and my arm feels so weird.



jason1637 said:
Took the covid antibody shot today and my arm feels so weird.

That's just the shot working against your body. It's why they're called anti-body.



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jason1637 said:
Took the covid antibody shot today and my arm feels so weird.

Shot? I thought you said you were getting an anti body test.

Are you in a clinical trial?



A good 5 minute-segment.