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SpokenTruth said:
This is not a bio weapon. If it were, it's a an abject failure. Why use a strain of a virus that is already well known? You also don't release on your own people.

Well they were researching it in the lab (supposedly one of the stories). If anything it probably come out by accident in an unfinished state.



 

 

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crissindahouse said:
John2290 said:

What?

I believe he isn't fearful anymore because most countries have only a few cases and only a few got hit hard yet. But most countries got hit only the last few days which doesn't tell us anything yet about how it will look like in a week or a month. 

You have missed something : This is precisely, thanks to the recent explosion of S Korea, Italy, Iran, France and Germany, that it became now clearly noticeable that every countries on the Equator and summer season, simply had NO explosion or propagation so far, after the 20-40 declared cases 3 weeks ago because of their proximity with China.

It is that simple. Every countries over 25°C just don't see quick spread at all, just something completely neglectable.

Australia, Thailand, Taiwan, Malaysia, Vietnam, Philippines, India, Cambodia, Egypt, all these countries should have seen by the time the same explosion that we have been recently seeing in the north hemisphere which is under flu-ish temperature, like 8-12°C.(check the meteo of Teheran...)

Just wait May, the insane transmissibility rate of this "super flu virus" will just collapse.

But still : prepare 3 weeks of food if you are US / european, we will have some massive quarantine soon, this is statistically unavoidable. This is a dangerous super flu as long as we are in winter climate.

Last edited by Amnesia - on 28 February 2020

crissindahouse said:

And some people still say it's just a media hype. 

It's the fallout of fake news and people believing we have everything under control or it won't happen to them that might spiral this out of control. It's not so much that the disease will cripple humanity, it's mostly the reaction, disbelief, unwillingness to prepare to mitigate the effects, then panic, that will do the most harm. Meanwhile the commercials for cheap holiday destinations are still happily playing while McDs is advertising family night!



John2290 said:
SpokenTruth said:
This is not a bio weapon. If it were, it's a an abject failure. Why use a strain of a virus that is already well known? You also don't release on your own people.

Why is it always the far left who can't see qhat is right in front of them. There's a bio lab down the street from ground zero, it may not be a bio weapon but it is almost certainly engineered and to what end? It also doesn't need to be a purposeful release, why would it? You've got to be stupid or ignorant to think this isn't a lab breach and considering it's characteristics, it wasn't just being studied with no end goal, almsot certainly being altered. 

The Corona virus is known since the 60s and those animals you got at ground zero can have it in them. 

But I guess you can always find something else if you need to fit it in a conspiracy theory. Why it's always the not so far left who love conspiracy theories?



Ka-pi96 said:
John2290 said:

No offence to your work but closing schools os the best bet at saving lives and slowing the spread at this point without fucking our economies. You should be paid of course for leave but if not, it's better than your student body dying. The kids are most at risk and the old of course but they also are walking germ factories, more lives than just the kids could be saved by the school closure. Hope you get bqck paid at least. 

Oh yeah, I get why they're closing and I'm not going to complain about getting some extra time off. The issue is pay, I just moved house and am kind of broke because of that, so if this affects my pay I could have some problems.

And kids actually might be the least at risk. I actually saw an article the other day suggesting they're more resistant to the disease. There have been less kids affected by it and the symptoms seem to be less severe in kids too. Of course that could be partially due to people being more careful around kids, so as not to spread the disease, but still maybe kids are just more resistant to this one.

Babies are a risk and badly developed children and the elderly, but mostly kids are best in overcoming viruses yes and that is why it is important to gain resistance to most of those viruses as a kid cause when you first encounter some of them when older it will make you a lot more sick.



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Ka-pi96 said:
John2290 said:

No offence to your work but closing schools os the best bet at saving lives and slowing the spread at this point without fucking our economies. You should be paid of course for leave but if not, it's better than your student body dying. The kids are most at risk and the old of course but they also are walking germ factories, more lives than just the kids could be saved by the school closure. Hope you get bqck paid at least. 

Oh yeah, I get why they're closing and I'm not going to complain about getting some extra time off. The issue is pay, I just moved house and am kind of broke because of that, so if this affects my pay I could have some problems.

And kids actually might be the least at risk. I actually saw an article the other day suggesting they're more resistant to the disease. There have been less kids affected by it and the symptoms seem to be less severe in kids too. Of course that could be partially due to people being more careful around kids, so as not to spread the disease, but still maybe kids are just more resistant to this one.

The question is, can they carry the disease and infect others. That's still unknown.

https://www.statnews.com/2020/02/27/coronavirus-kids-what-role-transmission/

Though the evidence to date suggests this virus doesn’t inflict severe disease on children, there’s reason to think kids may be helping to amplify transmission. It’s a role they play to devastating effect during flu season, becoming ill and passing flu viruses on to their parents, grandparents, teachers, and caregivers.

While the new virus is from a different viral family, its behavior is more like influenza than its coronavirus cousins, SARS and MERS, making experts wonder if it is doing the same.

“Flu is clearly driven in part by schools. And we don’t understand what goes on with coronaviruses and kids — especially this coronavirus,”


There are also still many unknowns on how to protect yourself

http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/02/unmasked-experts-explain-necessary-respiratory-protection-covid-19

Michael Osterholm, PhD, MPH, director of the University of Minnesota's Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy, which publishes CIDRAP News, says, "The very unsettling data regarding the number of infected healthcare workers in the Wuhan area and the infection of a Japanese doctor working with those quarantined on the cruise ship and who used standard PPE [personal protective equipment]—except for a surgical mask instead of an N95 respirator—should be a real wake-up call to all of us about how do we really protect against this critical occupational risk."


Surgical masks will certainly help, but safety is not guaranteed.



crissindahouse said:

The Corona virus is known since the 60s and those animals you got at ground zero can have it in them. 

But I guess you can always find something else if you need to fit it in a conspiracy theory. Why it's always the not so far left who love conspiracy theories?

to be more precise "corona virus" is a family of viruses, this specific "species" is a relative of SARS and hence the virus is officially named SARS-CoV-2 (and the illness is covid-19) - only 7 corona virus species are known to infect humans, 4 of them "common cold"s, MERS, SARS and the new one

several good RNA matches were found in different animals of the region, not a 100% one, which was super unlikely from the start as this is an RNA virus, meaning their genome is relatively unstable and changing all the time (samples from different human patients don't give out 100% matches either)

the origin of this one is very likely to be bats, as they are known to host hundreds of different corona virus species, but the strains in them tend to be hyperaggressive as bats have extremely good immune systems - SARS-CoV-2 is not that aggressive, so researchers do suspect there was an intermediate host before it made the jump to humans



Yeah all indicators are this is gonna be a heavy global economic recession.



A warrior keeps death on the mind from the moment of their first breath to the moment of their last.



SpokenTruth said:
John2290 said:

Gut feelings as in emotions, colloquial translation error. 

So you say the left relies too much on gut feeling, emotions and propaganda media and yet you base your conspiracy theory about the virus being a bio weapon on ....gut feeling, emotions and propaganda media.

Got it.

Come on,he "said" far left as in ''extremists''.

That tones down the level of irony a bit imo and he is partly right so it would be good to address that too instead of the usual ridiculizing because someone commented something about the left.



Stuff like this man, just lol. To me, this guy's voice and physical appearance indicate that he has some sort of cold-like illness, the cough is just icing on the cake... Hopefully it's nothing or just something minor like the common cold.

Worries me a bit, maybe there's actually some merit to some of those rumors out there

link below to the coughing guy's covid19 saga

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8057513/Man-kept-coronavirus-quarantine-stop-coughing-taking-water-3-year-old-daughter.html