Yep.

Stop with the false dichotomy. If the majority of people get sick, the economy is gonna tank WY worse than it does the other way around. A lot more than 2% will die and people who should be working will be sick so they can't work and a whole host of other shit will go down. Flattening the curve saves lives and the economy. If the virus isn't contained, whatever happens to the economy under quarantine will seem like child's play.

Remember when South Korea was #2? Now is not even in the top 10.

It's a densely populated city and countermeasures are lax. It will blow up. When people start to get hospitalized, it means that a good chunk of the population is already a carrier. Give it a couple of weeks. 

Hmm i'm kinda very asthmatic and my airways are always blocked somewhat but i have an essential job,thing is if i catch the virus and my immunesystem apears to be slow reacting i might be done if i do not have a ventilator,ofcourse that chance is low because i have a strong immunesystem but it is a risk.

Their outbreak was about twice as bad, as italys day for day early on in it.

What happend is they have a "plan" in place to deal with this type of situation.
They have massive stockpiles of PPE, Testing facilities, labs, laws and rules/guidelines ready......

While in the west, alot of countries instead of trying to stop it, were thinking about herd immunity routes.
We didnt have massive amounts of capacity unused, and weren't ready for a outbreak.
(becasue its a "waste" of resources, and we like highly effecient hospitals/labs/healthcare).

Turns out, that when you need stuff...... unless you have a stockpile prepaired in advance, its already too late when the sh*t hits the fan.

Massive testing (early), and tracking (disreguarding privacy) helped them break the spread chains down.


Key words = massive testing + early into it.

When its spread all over, massive testing does nothing.
Now finding all the spread chains is basically impossible (in most countries).

Thats why we re doing the shutdown + self isolate route.
We first need to bring down the amount of "active" cases and then test out the wazooo, to pull off what South Korea did.

Edit:
In the west, we hesitated to go into shutdowns too. Due to worries about our economys (why act too early? only when needed)
Going late, or hesitateing is just not a good thing with outbreaks of virus's.

Even now, I dont think the USA has nation wide lockdown.
Every state that is "hestiateing" now, is going to prolong how long it takes before the US is back to normal.

Year 2015:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Af6b_wyiwI



No one listened to him.


"So we can have tools, but those tools need to be put into a overall global health system."

Key points: "We need preparedness"

"The best lessons on how to get to preparedness, is again, taken from what we do for war.
For soldiers we have full time, always ready to go,... we have reserves, that can easily scale up to large numbers. Nato has a mobile unit, that can actually deploy very rapidly, and nato does alot of wargames, to constantly check if people are well trained, do they understand about fuel and logistics, are they all on the same radio frequenzy, so that they are absolutely ready to go. So those are the kinds of things we need, to deal with a epidemic."

What are the key peices?

1) Strengthen health systems (everywhere, but mostly in poor countries) (this is where you see the outbreak very early on)
2) we need a medical reserve corps (lots of people who got the training, background, ready to go with expertise)
3) Pair medical & military (move around fast, do logisitics, secure areas/people)
4) Run simulated "germ games"
5) lots of advance R&D (spend more $$ on research, build more labs, researching vaccines and diagnostics)


What does this cost?

"I dont have a exact budget, but Im sure its very modest.
Compaired to the potential harm."

Awesome that they did something to help while they do not need to give a shit about it,most will never ever come close to what Bill Gates gives to donations every single year.

Be thankfull.

Yeah, what an asshole! The guy who warned the world about it and who invests hours every day for stuff like that or other diseases is the asshole here...

I hope you invest some of your free time as volunteer and don't believe that only the rich can help the world

They could probably have done more for fighting the virus with having folding@home running on their servers for a week or so