The logistics and morality of that is beyond that of a dictatorship. First you would need to separate all the under 20 from the rest of the population for 2 to 3 weeks. Then you still make a lot of them seriously ill and kill 1 in 500. Under 50 doesn't mean you're fine, just much less at risk. But 'only' selecting the healthy could further mitigate that problem. Never mind replicating the virus in enough quantity in a safe manner to infect that many people quickly.

Then, we don't know anything yet about long lasting effects. If immunity really works with this, whether you can't spread it on anyway despite your body now being able to deal with it better.

Ventilators, what's their big deal?

It's not just sticking a tube down your throat to push air in and out. Plus the reason for the ventilators is to combat the complications of double pneumonia and inflamation of the lungs to the point lung tissue cannot absorb any oxygen anymore for which you need an ECMO machine.

Then you need trained personal to make sense of all of this while keeping the patient alive with the right combination of meds and oxygenation in a sterile quarantined evironment.

If it was simple we could all stock up on ogygen tanks to get through this 'flu'

He means infected, assuming everyone under 20 only gets mild symptoms and will be cured in a few days while building up immunity. The incubation period is on average 5 days.

In the resulting models, estimated median incubation time (IT) of COVID-19 was 5.1 days; mean IT was 5.5 days. For 97.5% of infected persons, symptoms appear by 11.5 days. Fewer than 2.5% are symptomatic within 2.2 days. Estimated median IT to fever was 5.7 days. Among 108 patients diagnosed outside mainland China, median IT was 5.5 days; the 73 patients diagnosed inside China had a median IT of 4.8 days. Using exposures designated as high risk and a 7-day monitoring period, the estimate for missed cases was 21.2 per 10,000. After 14 days, the estimated number of missed high-risk cases was 1 per 10,000 patients.
https://www.jwatch.org/na51083/2020/03/13/covid-19-incubation-period-update

Then the question is, how long are you contagious with asymptomatic symptoms.

“Everything that we have seen so far verifies the experience in China. Once you acquire the illness, you may be infectious to other people for up to 14 days. Now, those who are asymptomatic may not know when Day 1 starts to start counting to Day 14. But it's encouraging to know that while asymptomatic individuals can get sick, their ability to spread the disease is far less than those who are actively symptomatic, who have secretions, who are coughing, who can take this virus and spread it around to other people.”

Thus if you infect people that are asymptomatic (and know day 1), you still need to keep them isolated for 2 weeks.

That's while still in the dark whether immunity really works (reports of people getting it again or it flaring up again pop up here and there) and whether there are any long lasting effects.

https://www.healthing.ca/diseases-and-conditions/coronavirus/can-you-have-covid-19-twice

Too many questions to fool around with any crazy schemes.

Ok, no.

Italy: COVID-19 has infected 2,629 health workers, or 8.3% of the total (more than twice the percentage in China), as of yesterday March 17 [source]. In Bergamo (Lombardy region), 118 out of about 600 family doctors (20%) have been infected, and a 65-year-old doctor has died [source]. Today, a 57-year-old doctor has died: he was the secretary of the Federation of General Practitioners of Lodi [source]. A week ago, a 67-year-old family doctor, president of the Varese Medical Association, had died [source]


Our family doctor is in the high risk group as well, a lot of them are.

The average age of physicians in Canada declined slightly from 50.1 years in 2014 to 49.5 years in 2018.

Our doctor is in her 60's already. I hope she'll survive this.

I meant this. I get that trained professionals are more important but if each country has a different peak, it's a lot easier to get medics in and out than ship ventilators from hospital A to hospital B.

The kids can have a school camping trip and the 18-30s can be offered a free ticket to a giant pox party music festival and make their own decision. What's the alternative? House arrest until a vaccine comes along seems a lot more dictatorial.

Neighbours stopped leaving their houses and i heard coughing from the house where the elderly couple lives,my dad his coworker got the coronavirus so now my dad can not leave his house and go work for precarious reasons to wait out if he will get the symptoms.
So i'm going to do some groceries for them tomorrow.

1008 new cases in NYS. total of 2382 cases 1339 coming from NYC.

 Thanks,yes they have family that still stupidly come in contact with them till recently(could be how they caught it) and also homecare.

You saw the other pictures. The mention of ventilators as the bottleneck is nothing more than a simplification, there is a lot more to it than hooking someone up to a ventilator. More ventilators and you simply run into the next bottleneck. But yep more will help and China is sending them to Italy to help out as well as medical personal. Which is why it's so important to stretch this out and prevent simultaneous peaks all over the world.

The alternative is not to subject your whole population to a new disease with still many unknowns. Plus plenty younger people still need medical help to get through this. Not only old get sick.
https://www.theverge.com/2020/3/17/21184291/coronavirus-covid-19-young-people-sick-vulnerable-affected-severe-cases

Yes there are far fewer, but intentionally spreading the virus to millions of young people will still bring down the healthcare system. See the mitigation scenarios here https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/medicine/sph/ide/gida-fellowships/Imperial-College-COVID19-NPI-modelling-16-03-2020.pdf

As a percentage of the current 115k infected, the total young people needing critical care is very small.
Looking at under 20 for the UK, that's 7.6 million, about 4 million in there 20's and so on. The mortality rate for these groups is still estimated at 0.2% or about 15 thousand under 20, 8 thousand deaths in the 20 to 30 range. Plus at least double of that will need ICU to get through the disease with 4K ICU beds available in the UK, thus more won't survive.

Is that a sacrifice you're willing to make?

My neighbors made it out to go on holiday in BC :/ Not smart but whatever.

I'm doing the groceries tomorrow for my parents in law, not worth the risk for them to go out. Quick in and out, disinfect the shopping cart handlebar first, sanitizer ready in the car for right after. No face touching etc. Learning that my province hasn't even begun testing for community spread while imported cases are not far from here makes it all a bit more "better safe than sorry"

Hopefully your dad is all right! Pooling groceries also helps reduce traffic to stores. Here they also opened the drug stores an hour earlier, reserved for elderly and those at risk to get an hour to get their medical supplies safely.