That strengthens my point, switch sold a lot because of the new smaller model, so it had a jump in sales, wont happen this year.

Those are not facts at all, no one has facts for the next years sales, no one can predict the future, if I could I would invest in shares.

Just like the Wii and 3ds which were selling a lot the first few years and then had a massive drop. Playstations tend to sell well for a much longer period of time than Nintendo consoles. None of this is imaginary, it happens with Nintendo every time.

What can I do with an Avatar? Im 36 yo, I don't play with avatars or themes, or pokemons or selfies all these modern nonsense.

The ps4 is above the ps2 in sales, years aligned, so I don't know why it would not hit 150 million. The market of people who cant afford more than 150dollars for a console and 5-10 dollars per game is huge, specially PC people who usually pirate but would not mind a cheap way of playing all the ps4 exclusives.

The ps4 is also a cheap bluray player, just like the ps2 was a cheap DVD player, the ps4 is already at over 107 million, so it only needs to sell less than 43 million in the next 10 years, very possible. Just people buying to replace their broken consoles is already half that number for next 10 years. Or do you think that the current 107 million consoles, none will break?

I would be happy with 70 million, as it would have guaranteed the games, less than that and I think sony would have not invest so much in exclusives.

But 120 million? That's too low, it will hit 112 million as a bare minimum the end of this year. Sony will still keep making the ps4 for at least another 6 or 7 years on top of that. And a much cheaper ps4 could sell very well for a while for people who cant afford to buy a 520dollars console (ps5 450dollars + game 70 dollars)

Switch is not following the same trend as 3DS or the Wii. It's outselling the 3DS despite being much more expensive and having more room left for price cuts, and there's no reason for it to follow the same pattern as the Wii as the circumstances are totally different.

Now that the Switch is a singular unified platform for all of Nintendo's software, it is no longer bound by the precedents of past systems. Nintendo has openly said the Switch will have a longer lifespan.

That's where you are wrong, both ps5 and xbox series X will offer gaming on the go, with the 5G in the future, and internet everywhere, you can access your ps5 and xbox games streamed to your tablet, phone, laptop etc, I can bet with you that both sony and Microsoft will present such a service very soon. I am certain of this because I'm always right about these things, I've followed gaming for 30 years.

The switch being 10 million over the 3ds is nothing to boost, the 3ds hasn't caught up to the ps3 or xbox 360 or wii yet, let alone ps4 numbers. My point remains, following your own graphic, and logic from the 3ds, wii, etc, I always said the switch will sell a lot more than the 3ds, 100 million easy in 4-5 years, but will not catch up to ps4 which will be minimum 140 million by that time. The best the switch could do is 120 million, ONLY IF Nintendo doesn't release a new switch 2 which is highly unlikely, because Nintendo never kept the same console for more than 7-8 years without a new one.

I very much doubt streaming PS5 to one's phone/tablet will become a mainstream form of gaming. It won't be worth the hassle to the average consumer, they'll just wait til they get home to play. Folks said the same thing about Remote Play on Vita making 3DS obsolete.

We don't actually disagree much on lifetime Switch/PS4 sales it seems, I simply got the wrong impression from your posts that you were pushing the "it'll fizzle out soon" angle, my bad.

This is why sometimes I don't even know why I bother commenting here, obviously a lot of users here don't use their brains, or are running on wishful thinking and not logic. There is no way, short of a huge price drop and games sales that could make the switch sell 54 million in 2 years. Nintendo consoles always sells mostly to the fans in the first year, Nintendo doesn't have the broad appeal of playstation, in fact most people I know do not even like Nintendo games, many gamers do not like colourful kid friendly games, and lets be honest, games like Mario are mostly for kids, if you really think about the story and the characters.

The biggest Nintendo base is kids, and parents who buy them the consoles and games. Just like the 3ds, no adult would be seen out of the house playing a 3ds, very rare, but I saw kids almost daily with a 3ds.

Portable gaming is less desired now than 10 years back, mobile phones are reaching the power of the switch, or even surpassed it, so most people who want a quick game to kill the time would just pick up their phones and not take a second device which doesn't even fit in one's pocket.

Surely is nice to be able to play massive games on the go, in theory, but who really has time to play 2 or 3 hours straight on a train or on a break? No one. Most people have like 30min to kill at one point, so mobile phones are more convenient. 

The only time I ever took my switch out of the house was when I was flying. So like, 12 hours per year, not worth having such an expensive portable just for that.

I don't know about US, but here in the UK its very very rare to see anyone with a portable console, and back in Portugal it just doesn't happen at all, even kids are choosing tablets over portable consoles, because you can do so much more on a tablet, like youtube, facebook, etc. Mostly because kids do not have 70 dollars to be buying a new game.


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Mario et al aren't "mostly for kids", they're for all ages. Adults enjoy them just as much as children.

Guess who is above the ps4 aligned? Starts with S and rhymes with twitch. At least follow your own arguments.

Anything is possible, no one can actually predict the future, example, the ps5 price could be lower than expected therefore making the ps4 less desirable, the switch could have a big price drop with bundled game.

But the point you make about the hassle of playing on a streaming service is almost as much hassle as to carry a switch with you at all time, and having an extra device to charge. Like I said, the future of the internet will most likely allow everyone to easily stream to a phone, but the internet and smart phones has made the portable dedicated consoles more of a kids thing, because we all have now youtube, internet, books, etc on our phones that get bigger screens and more power and faster every year.

There's nothing more convenient than a phone for media consumption, because its a thing everyone already carries in their pockets everywhere. And this will be enhanced with 5G availability in the future.

Here in the Uk I see almost everyone on their phones either facebook, books, videos, browsing messaging and the casual games, last time I saw someone with a portable dedicated console was months ago, then again I'm not in the big city, but I believe this trend is worldwide.

Lets not forget that switch games are still 60-70 dollars on top of the price of the console. Most casuals will just get cheap games on their phones.

In fact, I have been playing games for 30 years, and spent a fortune in Gameboy batteries, but I was a kid, life was different and we didn't have the internet neither smart phones. I would not buy a dedicated portable if I could not connect to my projector, so I would have never bought a switch Lite even at half price.

Suffice to say, as gamers, we must be happy to have so many options, so many great games, and more people every year enjoying this amazing hobby, I hope both sony, Nintendo and Microsoft sell as much as they can, and I hope the gaming industry continues to grow and evolve, I respect the most Sony because they are investing in VR, which after buying it, I can confirm it is the future of gaming. But I also respect Nintendo for giving us a different style of games or else gaming would become boring with everyone just doing the same.

With the power of the new consoles, the sky is the limit for developers, so I can only imagine what we will be playing by the end of next gen, considering that I am playing red dead redemption 2 in 4K and I am in awe of the little details and technical stuff in the game, I cant imagine that x5