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crissindahouse on 31 December 2019

This forum is astonishing from time to time. Just two weeks or so ago we had the "PC gamers have to upgrade because next gen consoles will be so strong and less power won't run these games properly" thread and now it's "a 30% weaker console wouldn't be a problem, it's almost not even noticeable" which also means that even a higher gap would be still good enough to run games just fine.

Well, at least PC gamers can run next gen games now which they couldn't two weeks or so ago. Weaker hardware can manage to play these games from one to the next day. Fantastic. 



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jason1637 on 31 December 2019
thismeintiel said:
jason1637 said:

MS has done this before with the Xbox and the 360. They weren't making profit until late in the 360 era. Even with gamepass I doubt they're making profit either.  I could see them just eating the loss and selling at $500 because anything more is DOA. 

A big difference. They were doing it to take down Sony. This time around, MS has telegraphed very well where they are headed. Streaming/online services.  That's why XBO HW was not heavily subsidized, but they are willing to lose money on things like Gears 5 to push GamePass with $1 deals.

I think $500 still might be a possibility, but expect more of a $550-$600 price if they really are going with 56 CUs. However, I have seen some crazy suggestions that MS could subsidize it to $399 and win the gen.

I do believe MS is headed towards a streaming and online ecosystem but they still value consoles. That's where the most people play their games. If they didn't care for consoles the Xbox One X wouldn't be a thing and they wouldn't be planning on launching 2 consoles next year.



thismeintiel on 31 December 2019
jason1637 said:
thismeintiel said:

A big difference. They were doing it to take down Sony. This time around, MS has telegraphed very well where they are headed. Streaming/online services.  That's why XBO HW was not heavily subsidized, but they are willing to lose money on things like Gears 5 to push GamePass with $1 deals.

I think $500 still might be a possibility, but expect more of a $550-$600 price if they really are going with 56 CUs. However, I have seen some crazy suggestions that MS could subsidize it to $399 and win the gen.

I do believe MS is headed towards a streaming and online ecosystem but they still value consoles. That's where the most people play their games. If they didn't care for consoles the Xbox One X wouldn't be a thing and they wouldn't be planning on launching 2 consoles next year.

Xbox is checking to see if it's even viable for them to stay in HW. If they can keep selling ~40M-50M without sacrificing profits to do so, then they'll stay in. If the XBX sells worse than the XBO, they will not be staying in.



 

LudicrousSpeed on 31 December 2019
jason1637 said:
thismeintiel said:

A big difference. They were doing it to take down Sony. This time around, MS has telegraphed very well where they are headed. Streaming/online services.  That's why XBO HW was not heavily subsidized, but they are willing to lose money on things like Gears 5 to push GamePass with $1 deals.

I think $500 still might be a possibility, but expect more of a $550-$600 price if they really are going with 56 CUs. However, I have seen some crazy suggestions that MS could subsidize it to $399 and win the gen.

I do believe MS is headed towards a streaming and online ecosystem but they still value consoles. That's where the most people play their games. If they didn't care for consoles the Xbox One X wouldn't be a thing and they wouldn't be planning on launching 2 consoles next year.

Yep. Spencer came out a couple days ago and again reinforced their belief that streaming is a convenience but local hardware is always superior. Meaning Xbox hardware. Services don’t matter if you don’t have users to sell them to. They might be banking on Anaconda selling a ton for them though.



exclusive_console on 31 December 2019
Otter said:
exclusive_console said:
On paper PS5 specs compared to X is much lower than expected. I guess Sony are confident 4K 60fps with those specs ? with the X it seems Microsoft want to get PC gamers onboard and core Xbox gamers from switching to Sony. Though if PS5 can undercut X price by 100$ I think they do not have to worry.

No one should be confident in this IMO. Developers will decide on a game by game basis and I'm sure 7/10 times graphical fidelity will be prioritised over resolution & frame rate. The only way we'll be getting consistent 4k/60fps is if Xbox Series S is very weak & used as the base developement system. Hopefully this is not the case and developers start from PS5 as the base and worry about Xbox S later. 

I think we will see lots of 1440p/30fps and even some 1080p 30fps games where devs really want to push raytracing.

I think Microsoft is aiming for that native 4k benchmark with the X1X but framerate will very.

I am pretty sure they will not go 1080P. May be checkerboard or some other solution. But I expect most will be 4K as that is nice way to advertise next gen. AMD first time ray tracing implementation is not going to be anything special either. I agree that devs will decide.

CuCabeludo said:
exclusive_console said:
On paper PS5 specs compared to X is much lower than expected. I guess Sony are confident 4K 60fps with those specs ? with the X it seems Microsoft want to get PC gamers onboard and core Xbox gamers from switching to Sony. Though if PS5 can undercut X price by 100$ I think they do not have to worry.

Forget about 60FPS on all games. It will happen on some games because devs choose FPS over graphics, but there will be games in 30 FPS with heavy focus on graphics.

Yes, I agree. But online shooter, racing sims, fighters, sports games they will easily achieve 4K 60fps. SP games with lots of detail and open world game will target 30fps



 

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vivster on 31 December 2019

Looks like a clean win for Sony. Then again, those numbers have nothing to do with who's gonna win anyway. XBX could have double the numbers across the board for the same price and would still very likely lose.



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Random_Matt on 31 December 2019
shikamaru317 said:
Random_Matt said:
$600, just pushes towards PC rig, lets be honest. Suicide for a console, won't sell. The X barely sold well.

Console gamers are not interested in PC gaming for several reasons. For starters, the cost of a PC that matches this rumored spec leak for Xbox Series X is well over $600, a 12 tflop RDNA AMD GPU on PC hasn't even released yet, the highest you can get on RDNA is 10 tflop with the RX 5700 XT currently, and it costs about $390 at the cheapest right now, which means that when the Navi 2 cards release in 2020, you're probably going to be paying at least $400 for a Navi 2 card with 12 tflops, and that is just 1 component of the PC. An 8 core Zen 2 CPU like the Ryzen 7 3700x currently costs about $320. A good motherboard costs about $100. 16 GB of DDR4 will run you about $60. A 1 TB NVMe SSD runs you about $110 currently. All in all you're looking at probably at least $900 to build a PC that matches these leaked Series X specs, likely over $1000 to buy it from a company who builds it for you (most console gamers are too intimidated to build a PC themselves).

But there are other factors besides price that turn console gamers off from PC gaming. Most PC's aren't living room friendly unless you specifically do a mini-ITX build, which costs extra due to the extra cooling you have to pay for to get a quiet, living room friendly build. PC lacks physical purchase options these days. You can't play multiplayer games with a controller on PC or else you will get absolutely wrecked by the mouse and keyboard folks.

Sorry, did you just throw in a Desktop CPU compared to the consoles mobile variants? You are just bad at selecting parts.



jenpol on 31 December 2019

Are we certain that those 56 CU are NAVI? I thought It was a VEGA arch.

BTW I still dunno which next gen console i'll buy.



PotentHerbs on 31 December 2019

I doubt these are the final PS5 specs. The data is legit but is missing a ton of context.

- No RT (confirmed by Cerny in the Wired article) for Oberon
- Contradicts what credible insiders have been saying about next gen consoles (close in power, 10+ TF at least)
- Arden, which presumably is Lockhart, is way too powerful

Either system could have the power crown but I would be shocked if it was more than 10/15%. I think both launch at $499 with Lockhart coming out a year after, presumably around the holidays, at $399.



Random_Matt on 31 December 2019

You know PS5 was originally scheduled for this year right? It all changed from developer feedback.