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curl-6 on 12 January 2020
Soundwave said:
curl-6 said:

I'm sure I'll love the leap when it comes, but the longer we wait the better the leap will be, plus the more money's worth I'll get out of my current system.

Unless Nintendo is waiting for matured 3nm 5nm tech which would be stupid, there's really not going to a massive difference in the quality of chip they can get from 7nm, Nvidia likely already has shown them the Switch 2 chip in prototype form.

I'm no expert but I'm pretty sure there's more to performance than just the fabrication process, and that you'll be able to get more from an affordable mobile SoC in 2023 than in 2021.



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Soundwave on 12 January 2020
zorg1000 said:
Soundwave said:

Keep in mind Nintendo's developers have been stuck using this same basic level of tech since the Wii U launched in 2012 ... that's now going to be like 8 years ago. That's a long time for developers that good to be locked in to basically one generation. 

Not really, you seem to be ignoring that a whole bunch of teams are making the leap from 3DS to Switch, rather than Wii U to Switch.

The core console teams (Zelda team, Retro team, EAD Tokyo's Mario teams, the Mario Kart team) have been working on the same level for almost a decade, sorry but that is hamstringing some of the most talented developers on the planet.

They all will be able to do more on the PS4++ tech and even teams that went from 3DS to Switch ... so what? They will have even more options on a Switch 2. 

If you gave Nintendo developers a GameCube chip instead of an N64 (effectively skipping an entire generation) in 1995 ... that's *good* for the developer, not bad. 



Cobretti2 on 13 January 2020
curl-6 said:
Soundwave said:

Unless Nintendo is waiting for matured 3nm 5nm tech which would be stupid, there's really not going to a massive difference in the quality of chip they can get from 7nm, Nvidia likely already has shown them the Switch 2 chip in prototype form.

I'm no expert but I'm pretty sure there's more to performance than just the fabrication process, and that you'll be able to get more from an affordable mobile SoC in 2023 than in 2021.

The issue here is no one has been able to provide any evidence of what the hell Nvidia could possible release for 2021 that would make the upgrade worth while.

They are hoping there is something top secret that will come out that will get it close to PS4 level.

This is my big concern, I don't want a pointless jump I want a significant jump. If Nintendo can surprise me somehow then cool, if not I am happy for Switch to last longer till 2024.



 

 

Nu-13 on 13 January 2020
Soundwave said:
zorg1000 said:

It's relevant to the discussion you two were having and you were the who brought both those points up. If they werent relevant than why did you bring them up to begin with?

Because he has this fantasy that years 4/5/6/7 (hah) won't see any decline that is typical for Nintendo platforms just by double dipping on the same IP thus keeping the dream alive that catching the PS4 may somehow happen. 

Lets be real here too ... BOTW2, even if it is a better game than BOTW1 is unlikely to outsell the original right off the hop, but even if it did, really primarily most buyers would be coming from the 15 million that purchased the first game and have a Switch already. 

The switch will start declining in year 5 and it's already ahead of the ps4 aligned. At this point, it's about keeping the advantage instead of catching up. There is no typical decline for any platform based on the company alone.



Nu-13 on 13 January 2020
Cobretti2 said:
curl-6 said:

I'm no expert but I'm pretty sure there's more to performance than just the fabrication process, and that you'll be able to get more from an affordable mobile SoC in 2023 than in 2021.

The issue here is no one has been able to provide any evidence of what the hell Nvidia could possible release for 2021 that would make the upgrade worth while.

They are hoping there is something top secret that will come out that will get it close to PS4 level.

This is my big concern, I don't want a pointless jump I want a significant jump. If Nintendo can surprise me somehow then cool, if not I am happy for Switch to last longer till 2024.

No, you are simply ignoring everything that was clearly explained to you. Ps4 level was already achieved and we are getting a die shrink soon. It's no secret that stronger chipsets will keep releasing.



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Nu-13 on 13 January 2020
RolStoppable said:
Nu-13 said:

No, you are simply ignoring everything that was clearly explained to you. Ps4 level was already achieved and we are getting a die shrink soon. It's no secret that stronger chipsets will keep releasing.

He isn't ignoring that. He's still waiting for an explanation how such a chipset could be put into a console anytime soon while other factors like size, price, cooling and battery life are also accounted for.

Nope. There's nothing alien about a console succeeding another 6 years later and being much more powerful.



Nu-13 on 13 January 2020
RolStoppable said:
Nu-13 said:

Nope. There's nothing alien about a console succeeding another 6 years later and being much more powerful.

You yourself bolded the part in his post where he said 2021.

2021 for the chipset is expected. 2022 for the switch 2. No one is realistically expecting a 2021 release for switch 2.



Cobretti2 on 13 January 2020
RolStoppable said:
Nu-13 said:

2021 for the chipset is expected. 2022 for the switch 2. No one is realistically expecting a 2021 release for switch 2.

If you say so. But an important question still remains: How much more powerful than the PS4 is said chipset going to be?

People aren't looking for something that is marginally better than the PS4, but rather significantly because it's about the question how feasible ports of PS5 games are.

That is exactly my point.


Hence why I don't know what chipset (that is mobile) from NVIDIA, that would be suitable for the Switch. I want someone to point to me this is the chipset that could be used (or a custom version of). What is the logical step from a Tegra X1 that will get us even to PS4 level, let alone better to make it more feasible to port PS5 games.


I got a gaming laptop with an RTX2070, so I know what NVIDIA have out there but that aint going into a Switch 2 lol



 

 

zorg1000 on 13 January 2020
Soundwave said:
zorg1000 said:

Not really, you seem to be ignoring that a whole bunch of teams are making the leap from 3DS to Switch, rather than Wii U to Switch.

The core console teams (Zelda team, Retro team, EAD Tokyo's Mario teams, the Mario Kart team) have been working on the same level for almost a decade, sorry but that is hamstringing some of the most talented developers on the planet.

They all will be able to do more on the PS4++ tech and even teams that went from 3DS to Switch ... so what? They will have even more options on a Switch 2. 

If you gave Nintendo developers a GameCube chip instead of an N64 (effectively skipping an entire generation) in 1995 ... that's *good* for the developer, not bad. 

3rd parties were stuck on 360 level hardware for nearly a decade as well, 2005-2013 and most 2014/2015 titles were cross-gen, so why is it out of the question for Nintendo to have the same thing?

In those 8 years, the teams you listed (Zelda, Mario Kart, 3D Mario & Retro) have released 1 HD title in each of those series.

On top of that we just now got our first HD Fire Emblem, first HD mainline Pokemon, first HD Luigi's Mansion, about to get our first HD Animal Crossing, and have yet to get our first HD Metroid, etc.

Just because more powerful hardware exists does not mean it's necessary to transition to it if you still have untapped potential in your current hardware.



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Nu-13 on 13 January 2020
RolStoppable said:
Nu-13 said:

2021 for the chipset is expected. 2022 for the switch 2. No one is realistically expecting a 2021 release for switch 2.

If you say so. But an important question still remains: How much more powerful than the PS4 is said chipset going to be?

People aren't looking for something that is marginally better than the PS4, but rather significantly because it's about the question how feasible ports of PS5 games are.

I already said I expect something 7-8x more powerful than the switch's gpu. hat puts it at or a little under the xbox one x gpu power (with more modern stuff). Cpu will be much better and I also expect 16gb of lpddr4 ram, with 14-15gb reserved for games.