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goopy20 said:
Mnementh said:

Yeah, if Switch would suddenly drop off a cliff, it wouldn't be as successful as people make it out to be. But such a thing never happened in game history.

Also, quick note: even if the release of next gen suddenly influences Switch, it wouldn't have much effect next year, as the new consoles start only late in the year.

Of course it did. In 2014 Sony only sold 3m ps3's and in 2015 that was just a little over a million. When new consoles come out, current gen always get phased out pretty quickly. We'll see if that'll happen with the Switch as handhelds are a bit of a different market. But Nintendo better have some monster games for 2020 if it wants to keep people interested. 

 PS3 was replaced by a direct successor, the PS4. The PS5/XSX are not direct successors to the Switch, they are totally different products that do not supersede it because they can't offer the same experience.

What you're talking about is akin to predicting that the DS will stop selling when PS3/360 come out.

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Radek said:

It doesn't matter, we already don't get games like Ass Creed Origins & Odyssey, NFS, COD MW, Jedi  Fallen Order, Watch Dogs Legion, Monster Hunter World, RE2, Tomb Raider Trilogy, Metro, Borderlands, Ghost Recon, Kingdom Hearts, Anthem, Control, Sekiro, DMC 5, The Division etc. so it doesn't matter that PS5 ports wouldn't be possible on Switch.

Switch still got much more "serious" ports than Wii U and Wii, I think Switch 2 will have specs closer to PS5 to allow for even better third party support.

Still puzzled why Gamecube never got a mainline GTA game.

Maybe because GC used the miniDVD disc which is 1,4gb only?



HoangNhatAnh said:
Radek said:

It doesn't matter, we already don't get games like Ass Creed Origins & Odyssey, NFS, COD MW, Jedi  Fallen Order, Watch Dogs Legion, Monster Hunter World, RE2, Tomb Raider Trilogy, Metro, Borderlands, Ghost Recon, Kingdom Hearts, Anthem, Control, Sekiro, DMC 5, The Division etc. so it doesn't matter that PS5 ports wouldn't be possible on Switch.

Switch still got much more "serious" ports than Wii U and Wii, I think Switch 2 will have specs closer to PS5 to allow for even better third party support.

Still puzzled why Gamecube never got a mainline GTA game.

Maybe because GC used the miniDVD disc which is 1,4gb only?

I think only San Andreas may have been difficult to put on a single disc. While 3 and Vice City were smaller.

GC had pretty good 3rd party support, but primarily because it was easy. Sales trends showed PS2 and Xbox were more similar in regard to audience.

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RolStoppable said:
HoangNhatAnh said:

Maybe because GC used the miniDVD disc which is 1,4gb only?

Sony bought timed exclusivity for the GTA games and by the time it expired, both the Xbox and GC were soundly beaten, so voluntary ports by Take Two/Rockstar were out of the question. Microsoft paid to get GTA on the Xbox, Nintendo didn't do the same for the GC.

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/e3-2002-sony-gets-grand-theft-auto-exclusive/1100-2866884/

That Sony was paying off third parties left, right and center during the PS1 and PS2 days is something that most people either don't know or pretend that it never happened. Other IPs that Sony struck deals with are Final Fantasy, Resident Evil, Tomb Raider among others, so Sony was shopping for pretty much any game that could be considered a heavyweight.

What this means is that the choice of storage medium especially during the fifth generation (PS1, N64, Saturn) didn't matter much. Both Nintendo and Sega were going to get locked out of key third party titles because Sony changed the way of competition. A very common thing that is said is that the Nintendo 64 would have gotten Final Fantasy VII if only Nintendo had gone with CDs as the storage medium, but in reality Final Fantasy VII would have been only on one console regardless, the PS1.

Yeah. Even with the cartridges, the N64 could still get the likes of FF 7, 8 and 9 and many others as long as the cgi was mostly removed. I think keeping 2-3 minutes of the most important parts and using key frames to turn the rest into a slide show would have worked decently. It's also worth noting how some companies outright refused to support nintendo after the N64. Capcom did something right by porting the entire Resident Evil franchise to the gamecube when dev kits became available. An intelligent move to make money and establish the franchise to an audience that missed it the prior generation.

Other companies didn't even bother doing that, with most ps major hitters not getting gamecube ports. SE could have gotten FF 7-9, DQ7 in one disc each and also FF X, X-2, XII, DQ8 in two discs each. Cost wasn't an excuse when square was fond of using 3-4 discs on their ps (and later x360) games and the gamecube had two disc rpgs that sold much less than SE games would and were still big successes (Baten Kaitos 1 and 2, Tales of Symphonia).



Radek said:

It doesn't matter, we already don't get games like Ass Creed Origins & Odyssey, NFS, COD MW, Jedi  Fallen Order, Watch Dogs Legion, Monster Hunter World, RE2, Tomb Raider Trilogy, Metro, Borderlands, Ghost Recon, Kingdom Hearts, Anthem, Control, Sekiro, DMC 5, The Division etc. so it doesn't matter that PS5 ports wouldn't be possible on Switch.

Pretty much this, it's nice that Switch did get a few AAA PS4/Xbone ports like Doom and Witcher 3, but those aren't what's selling the system, so these kind of ports stopping won't significantly hurt the Switch's sales. 



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Mnementh said:
goopy20 said:

Of course it did. In 2014 Sony only sold 3m ps3's and in 2015 that was just a little over a million. When new consoles come out, current gen always get phased out pretty quickly. We'll see if that'll happen with the Switch as handhelds are a bit of a different market. But Nintendo better have some monster games for 2020 if it wants to keep people interested. 

But Switch 2 isn't releasing in 2020, so we can't expect such a decline. Except you wanna tell us the decline of PS3-sales was caused by the release of the WiiU.

It's not so much about a Switch 2, it's about the next gen consoles coming out next year and how that will affect Switch sales. Sure you can say they are in different markets but you have to keep in mind that around 60% of the Switch owners also have a ps4 and Xone. https://www.nintendoenthusiast.com/npd-60-percent-switch-owners-ps4-xbox-one/

Like I said, the masses usually flock to the latest gadget when it comes to gaming. Right now that's the Switch, but if 60% of the Switch users also own a ps4/Xone, I wonder if the Switch can hold their interest when next gen consoles hit the market and something like GTA6 comes out.



goopy20 said:
Mnementh said:

But Switch 2 isn't releasing in 2020, so we can't expect such a decline. Except you wanna tell us the decline of PS3-sales was caused by the release of the WiiU.

It's not so much about a Switch 2, it's about the next gen consoles coming out next year and how that will affect Switch sales. Sure you can say they are in different markets but you have to keep in mind that around 60% of the Switch owners also have a ps4 and Xone. https://www.nintendoenthusiast.com/npd-60-percent-switch-owners-ps4-xbox-one/

Like I said, the masses usually flock to the latest gadget when it comes to gaming. Right now that's the Switch, but if 60% of the Switch users also own a ps4/Xone, I wonder if the Switch can hold their interest when next gen consoles hit the market and something like GTA6 comes out.

They won't affect switch sales untill 2022, when the switch 2 is coming anyway. The masses don't flock to $399-499 consoles.



goopy20 said:
Mnementh said:

But Switch 2 isn't releasing in 2020, so we can't expect such a decline. Except you wanna tell us the decline of PS3-sales was caused by the release of the WiiU.

It's not so much about a Switch 2, it's about the next gen consoles coming out next year and how that will affect Switch sales. Sure you can say they are in different markets but you have to keep in mind that around 60% of the Switch owners also have a ps4 and Xone. https://www.nintendoenthusiast.com/npd-60-percent-switch-owners-ps4-xbox-one/

Like I said, the masses usually flock to the latest gadget when it comes to gaming. Right now that's the Switch, but if 60% of the Switch users also own a ps4/Xone, I wonder if the Switch can hold their interest when next gen consoles hit the market and something like GTA6 comes out.

Switch has been out for nearly 3 years now, it's well passed the shiny new gadget phase.

I'm sure a lot of DS owners had a PS2, didn't mean DS sales tanked when PS3/360 came out.



goopy20 said:
Mnementh said:

But Switch 2 isn't releasing in 2020, so we can't expect such a decline. Except you wanna tell us the decline of PS3-sales was caused by the release of the WiiU.

It's not so much about a Switch 2, it's about the next gen consoles coming out next year and how that will affect Switch sales. Sure you can say they are in different markets but you have to keep in mind that around 60% of the Switch owners also have a ps4 and Xone. https://www.nintendoenthusiast.com/npd-60-percent-switch-owners-ps4-xbox-one/

Like I said, the masses usually flock to the latest gadget when it comes to gaming. Right now that's the Switch, but if 60% of the Switch users also own a ps4/Xone, I wonder if the Switch can hold their interest when next gen consoles hit the market and something like GTA6 comes out.

Top Selling PS4/XBO games(Not in order)

GTA V
COD: MW
COD: WW2
COD: BO3
COD: BO4
RDR 2
COD: IW
COD: AW 
Battlefield:1
FIFA series
Destiny 2
NBA2k
Madden

Top Selling Nintendo Switch games

MK8D
SSBU
SMO
BOTW
Pokemon SwSh
Pokemon Let's Go P/E
Splatoon 2
SMP
NSMBU
MM2
LM3
Zelda: LA

Which console people are going to buy if they wanted to play BOTW2, new 3D Mario, new 2d Mario, new Pokemon, and new animal Crossing?

The consoles that are going to be affected the most by the next-gen consoles are PS4 and XBO



LGBTDBZBBQ said:
goopy20 said:

It's not so much about a Switch 2, it's about the next gen consoles coming out next year and how that will affect Switch sales. Sure you can say they are in different markets but you have to keep in mind that around 60% of the Switch owners also have a ps4 and Xone. https://www.nintendoenthusiast.com/npd-60-percent-switch-owners-ps4-xbox-one/

Like I said, the masses usually flock to the latest gadget when it comes to gaming. Right now that's the Switch, but if 60% of the Switch users also own a ps4/Xone, I wonder if the Switch can hold their interest when next gen consoles hit the market and something like GTA6 comes out.

Top Selling PS4/XBO games(Not in order)

GTA V
COD: MW
COD: WW2
COD: BO3
COD: BO4
RDR 2
COD: IW
COD: AW 
Battlefield:1
FIFA series
Destiny 2
NBA2k
Madden

Top Selling Nintendo Switch games

MK8D
SSBU
SMO
BOTW
Pokemon SwSh
Pokemon Let's Go P/E
Splatoon 2
SMP
NSMBU
MM2
LM3
Zelda: LA

Which console people are going to buy if they wanted to play BOTW2, new 3D Mario, new 2d Mario, new Pokemon, and new animal Crossing?

The consoles that are going to be affected the most by the next-gen consoles are PS4 and XBO

Don't forget.

Uncharted 4

Spiderman

The Last of Us

God of War

Horizon Zero Dawn

Minecraft

Fallout 4

FFXV

and anything else that sold higher than NBA2k, Madden, and Destiny 2. But carry on...