Yep. I stopped caring once I saw the Digital Foundry video, where they zoomed in on the freaking mud on the ground to show the difference between "4K Textures". Like I'm really going to look straight down and zoom in while playing the game. -_-

10TFlops at full precision? I very much doubt that.

Navi gets up to 8.5 TFlops with 225W, Vega VII up to 11 with 300W TDP. Even just the 225W of the Navi are way too much for a console, that's about the TDP budget of the entire console, CPU, RAM, SSD, etc... included. Did I mention that both are produced in 7nm already?

At half precision, 10 TFlops are entirely possible. And I'm pretty sure the engineers did tell this numbers since Navi gets the same performance as Vega with about 35% less TFlops in raw power, so the increase over Pro/X would look rather low despite a sizable performance boost.

The only way they could make them work at full precision is to make the boxes a lot bigger to allow for larger coolers and fans, otherwise they RRoD themselves in no time. But then also don't expect such lowly prices as $499 for such a console, even by next year that would be too expensive.

2 TF, I guess.

You looking at the wrong gpu, look at radeon 5700, not radeon 5700XT

Add some undervolting and you can hit good numbers, around 1,7ghz+ on tsmc 7nm is the magic number and on tsmc N7P or 7nm+ it should be 1,8ghz+. But we are getting indications they going for 2ghz.

I don't know where you getting your TF number from but radeon 5700 is 7,8TF+ and radeon 5700XT 9,5TF+.

Based on numbers I stolen from someone else, a console with 44CU's at 1,8ghz should pull about 195W on tsmc N7P or tsmc 7nm+ and maybe 230W with 44CU's at 2ghz, it will depend on when exactly Navi power consumption goes out of whack on Tsmc N7P or Tsmc 7nm+.

I've done that in VR, except zoom in means banging my head off the real floor.

What I'm more interested in is loading times and patch times. It currently takes close to 2 minutes from turning on the ps4 pro to being signed up for the next online race. No chance to make it with only 1 minute left until the next one starts. And it takes over 35 minutes to update the game after a patch (copying 100 GB over)

I wouldn't mind playing at 1080p60 with 2K textures if that would mean faster loading. Faster start up, faster game loads, faster patches, then maybe better graphics. In some games it felt faster to simply run somewhere than to use 'fast' travel...

In theory, with a superfast ssd (like a ReRam solution), you can dump the entire system state onto the ssd in a second, quit, and restart the game exactly where you left it within a second or two. Whether that is OS supported and developers will use it is anyone's guess.

If you have to patch 100GBytes, that is entirely a question on how fast you can suck bytes over the wire. No amount of next-gen console will change that.

Hardly anyone is currently using 7nm+, almost all are in the N7P camp. What is clear is that you can't do 2GHz on 7nm, that would result in a jet engine taking off, all the time.

The TFlops you're quoting are at peak boost performance, which the GPU can't hold without consuming much more than those values you're posting below. For instance, in the Techpowerup test the GPU only reached 1672 Mhz on average, which results into almost exactly 7.7 TFlops. Undervolting will simply not be enough to get to 10 TFlops, especially since 160W is already the maximum a console can take. And Navi translates that into more clock speed anyway by itself unless you lock the speed - but that only gives like 30-40 Mhz in general while it would need more like 200-300 Mhz to make it work for your example.

However, I agree that I did mess up a bit, I took consumption at max boost and used the TFlops at base clock. Still, my point stands that 10 TFlops are still out of reach

The patch can be as small as 100MB, however the ps4 copies the entire game to apply the patch to the copy, then deletes the original if successful. So you need enough free space to copy the whole game and wait for the stuff to copy. 'Luckily' it starts making a copy while downloading the patch so the size of the patch is completely irrelevant. Copying takes much longer than the download.

SSD would certainly help and a smarter patch system.

Yeah the PS4 patching system is a pain. First there's "Preparing" then the actual download then it starts "Copying". It's really annoying, and I have no idea why they do it that way. Xbox doesn't have that problem. I don't think you need twice the size on your HDD to download and install a game on Xbox either.

But yeah, even if they don't change the system and you still have to copy, at least an SSD will make that a whole lot less painful.