I've been looking for a handy spot to put my iron so I'm all for it. I do worry, though, that'd I'd be suspicious of the two of them locked in that position for hours at a time. Something's sure to be going on when electronics snuggle like that.
What do you think? | |||
I would be fine with that | 19 | 24.05% | |
It's irrelevant | 9 | 11.39% | |
That looks pretty bad | 15 | 18.99% | |
AMAZING! | 8 | 10.13% | |
That s**t looks awful! | 12 | 15.19% | |
Did we go back to the 90's? | 3 | 3.80% | |
V for Vendetta | 3 | 3.80% | |
Would rather have it look like a box | 4 | 5.06% | |
I just threw up in my mouth a little bit | 5 | 6.33% | |
Should continue to stack ... | 1 | 1.27% | |
Total: | 79 |
I've been looking for a handy spot to put my iron so I'm all for it. I do worry, though, that'd I'd be suspicious of the two of them locked in that position for hours at a time. Something's sure to be going on when electronics snuggle like that.
Pemalite said:
Pricing is irrelevant to the discussion. Stop trying to shift the goal post.
I haven't made any assertions in regards to Sony's launch strategy or the number of consoles they should launch or their pricing structure.
Some of my favorite consoles were the most powerful for any given console generation.
I never made the statement that a console should be $1,000, $1,500, $400, $500. - So your ramblings on price is again... Irrelevant. - I don't care about the price. |
Yet so far all PS has officially said is that it's using PCIe 4.0 and gave an example of how much faster it can be in one situation. You went on to guess at what that could mean in terms of what else may be part of the SSD setup, even though PS has said nothing about that. Is that adding extra relevant information based on separate knowledge of what SSD's are capable of, or is that also shifting goal posts?
As for the pricing I'm mostly just pointing out that you're not taking everything into account that you would need to based on separate console pricing knowledge. The price of the console will matter as to how they decide on what tech to use and how much they could customize it. If you don't base it off a likely price, then we might as well guess it'll be $1,000 and that could very well likely mean that the SSD could have customizations, and could be as fast as the fastest consumer PC's out there. Like you and I said though, that's not going to happen, and that's because the PS5 isn't going to be $1,000. Unless of course there is a top tier model that uses very similar tech, just beefed up like the rest of the components would be to justify the higher price.
We're both just putting separate relevant points forward from what I can see.
BraLoD said:
Wtf man... |
Don't tell me you don't see it. Designers do that kind of thing all the time, and hide it pretty well sometimes. Then again, some people look at random blobs and see everyday structured objects, so who knows?
super_etecoon said: I've been looking for a handy spot to put my iron so I'm all for it. I do worry, though, that'd I'd be suspicious of the two of them locked in that position for hours at a time. Something's sure to be going on when electronics snuggle like that. |
9 months later you might have yourself a PS5 Pro.
Last edited by EricHiggin - on 21 October 2019Doesn't bother me, but I would prefer that they just added 2 more layers to the PS4 Pro.
4 ≈ One
drkohler said:
Oh wow, you actually know Sony's exact ssd solution. Tell us a little bit more since you know its speed. Tell us also how hot it gets while streaming and how fast it is after 10 minutes of streaming... |
Sony is leveraging AMD's technology, from that it becomes extremely easy.
Lafiel said:
none of your explanations why you think this is a fact has been satisfactory |
Sony certainly made a broad statement.
And my explanations have been more than satisfactory, if you would like me to elaborate on a specific point, I would be more than happy to oblige if need be.
EricHiggin said: Yet so far all PS has officially said is that it's using PCIe 4.0 and gave an example of how much faster it can be in one situation. You went on to guess at what that could mean in terms of what else may be part of the SSD setup, even though PS has said nothing about that. Is that adding extra relevant information based on separate knowledge of what SSD's are capable of, or is that also shifting goal posts? |
I am taking issue with the statement Sony made. Nothing else.
So no, I am not shifting any goal posts.
EricHiggin said: As for the pricing I'm mostly just pointing out that you're not taking everything into account that you would need to based on separate console pricing knowledge. The price of the console will matter as to how they decide on what tech to use and how much they could customize it. If you don't base it off a likely price, then we might as well guess it'll be $1,000 and that could very well likely mean that the SSD could have customizations, and could be as fast as the fastest consumer PC's out there. Like you and I said though, that's not going to happen, and that's because the PS5 isn't going to be $1,000. Unless of course there is a top tier model that uses very similar tech, just beefed up like the rest of the components would be to justify the higher price. We're both just putting separate relevant points forward from what I can see. |
Everything else is irrelevant and isn't what I am arguing for or against. - I am arguing against Sony's statement, not it's damn price.
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Pemalite said:
Sony is leveraging AMD's technology, from that it becomes extremely easy. |
If you know that there was a PC SSD available when the statement was made that was faster than whatever can possibly be in the PS5 explain it.
Earlier you said: "PCI-E 4.0 NVMe drives will theoretically top out at around 8GB/s of sequential reads, which is likely what the Playstation 5 will have"
"most SSD setups today top out at around 4GB/s thanks to PCI-E 3.0 bandwidth limitations."
So can you provide an example of an SSD available for PC's before April 16th with equal to or higher than 8GB/s sequential read?
Your points were RAID and PCI-E 4.0 x16, both of which have been shown to be irrelevant to the point made. After which you've just made vague statements. So just provide the actual evidence rather than saying "It's easy to work out".
It may be a vague marketing statement without much real substance, but unless you can actually show an SSD available for consumer PC's at the time the statement was made you can't call it a blatant lie.
Link a product.
Barkley said:
If you know that there was a PC SSD available when the statement was made that was faster than whatever can possibly be in the PS5 explain it. Earlier you said: "PCI-E 4.0 NVMe drives will theoretically top out at around 8GB/s of sequential reads, which is likely what the Playstation 5 will have" "most SSD setups today top out at around 4GB/s thanks to PCI-E 3.0 bandwidth limitations." So can you provide an example of an SSD available for PC's before April 16th with equal to or higher than 8GB/s sequential read? Your points were RAID and PCI-E 4.0 x16, both of which have been shown to be irrelevant to the point made. After which you've just made vague statements. So just provide the actual evidence rather than saying "It's easy to work out".
It may be a vague marketing statement without much real substance, but unless you can actually show an SSD available for consumer PC's at the time the statement was made you can't call it a blatant lie. Link a product. |
I have explained it in my prior post. It's called using a PCI-E 3.0 card with the full compliment of 16x PCI-E lanes for a total of 16GB/s of bandwidth.
I suggest you go back and re-read that post rather than making me repeat myself.
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Pemalite said: I have explained it in my prior post. It's called using a PCI-E 3.0 card with the full compliment of 16x PCI-E lanes for a total of 16GB/s of bandwidth. |
then I'm sure you won't have trouble to link a consumer product with these theoretical specifications (available at the time Cerny made his statement)
bonus points if you also provide a review that shows the practically available bandwidth
Lafiel said:
then I'm sure you won't have trouble to link a consumer product with these theoretical specifications (available at the time Cerny made his statement) bonus points if you also provide a review that shows the practically available bandwidth |
Won't you also ask proof that it was a common setup available instead of an exotic used by 0,0001% of users?
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Guys Sony have made several patents on their costum SSD solution, several very knowledgeable people have looked at those patents, it's a single-tier-solution (no hhd+SSD combo) with speed estimate between 5-10 GB/s. Now about Mark Cerny statement, the fastest SSD at that time was Samsung evo pro 970 which has a 3,5/2,7 GB/s speed.
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