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Mr Puggsly on 09 September 2019
curl-6 said:

Maybe they shoulda just held onto this one and released it next November as a PS5/Scarlet launch title.

But even if they did they would have likely made it multiplat. Also, given it seems rushed they probably needed money now.

Brute force power of next gen hardware will make it stable. They could also patch it for next gen or rerelease it with 60 fps, higher resolution and maybe ray tracing.



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curl-6 on 09 September 2019
Mr Puggsly said:
curl-6 said:

Maybe they shoulda just held onto this one and released it next November as a PS5/Scarlet launch title.

But even if they did they would have likely made it multiplat. Also, given it seems rushed they probably needed money now.

Brute force power of next gen hardware will make it stable. They could also patch it for next gen or rerelease it with 60 fps, higher resolution and maybe ray tracing.

I have a feeling that what they're gonna do, release a "Definititive Edition" for PS5/Scarlet that's basically the game they wanted to make from the beginning and actually runs at an acceptable framerate.



Mr Puggsly on 10 September 2019
curl-6 said:
Mr Puggsly said:

But even if they did they would have likely made it multiplat. Also, given it seems rushed they probably needed money now.

Brute force power of next gen hardware will make it stable. They could also patch it for next gen or rerelease it with 60 fps, higher resolution and maybe ray tracing.

I have a feeling that what they're gonna do, release a "Definititive Edition" for PS5/Scarlet that's basically the game they wanted to make from the beginning and actually runs at an acceptable framerate.

I think they made the GAME they wanted to make, performance issues aside critics seem to like it. Critics may have been using PC and mid gens though.

8th gen ports to Switch are still praised even if they lack performance or visual flourish of other consoles. Because they're still the same games.

If its simply about an acceptable frame rate, then next gen BC should keep it at a stable or locked 30 fps.



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curl-6 on 10 September 2019
Mr Puggsly said:
curl-6 said:

I have a feeling that what they're gonna do, release a "Definititive Edition" for PS5/Scarlet that's basically the game they wanted to make from the beginning and actually runs at an acceptable framerate.

I think they made the GAME they wanted to make, performance issues aside critics seem to like it. Critics may have been using PC and mid gens though.

8th gen ports to Switch are still praised even if they lack performance or visual flourish of other consoles. Because they're still the same games.

If its simply about an acceptable frame rate, then next gen BC should keep it at a stable or locked 30 fps.

Didn't mean it'd technically be a different game, just that it'll be able to deliver their vision with a more stable level of performance, much more so in the case of the base systems.



Mr Puggsly on 10 September 2019
curl-6 said:
Mr Puggsly said:

I think they made the GAME they wanted to make, performance issues aside critics seem to like it. Critics may have been using PC and mid gens though.

8th gen ports to Switch are still praised even if they lack performance or visual flourish of other consoles. Because they're still the same games.

If its simply about an acceptable frame rate, then next gen BC should keep it at a stable or locked 30 fps.

Didn't mean it'd technically be a different game, just that it'll be able to deliver their vision with a more stable level of performance, much more so in the case of the base systems.

I argue with better optimization they may be able to achieve more stable performance.

It really sounds like the game was rushed. Remedy has already said they plan on addressing problems via patches, like performance, but they will take time.

Essentially people are speaking as this is the best we can get with base consoles, I don't think that's the case for this game.



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curl-6 on 10 September 2019
Mr Puggsly said:
curl-6 said:

Didn't mean it'd technically be a different game, just that it'll be able to deliver their vision with a more stable level of performance, much more so in the case of the base systems.

I argue with better optimization they may be able to achieve more stable performance.

It really sounds like the game was rushed. Remedy has already said they plan on addressing problems via patches, like performance, but they will take time.

Essentially people are speaking as this is the best we can get with base consoles, I don't think that's the case for this game.

I agree performance can likely be improved a bit with patches, but given their heavy focus on ray-tracing with the PC version and the overall ambitious tech they're pushing, I can't help but feel like the game they wanted to make would've been a better fit for next gen systems. That also would've given them an extra year to polish.



d21lewis on 10 September 2019

I actually like this game. It's not an all time classic but it's enjoyable. I don't think it has any replayabilty, though. By the time they fix it completely, many of us day one buyers are gonna already be done with it, never to play it again.



Mr Puggsly on 10 September 2019
curl-6 said:
Mr Puggsly said:

I argue with better optimization they may be able to achieve more stable performance.

It really sounds like the game was rushed. Remedy has already said they plan on addressing problems via patches, like performance, but they will take time.

Essentially people are speaking as this is the best we can get with base consoles, I don't think that's the case for this game.

I agree performance can likely be improved a bit with patches, but given their heavy focus on ray-tracing with the PC version and the overall ambitious tech they're pushing, I can't help but feel like the game they wanted to make would've been a better fit for next gen systems. That also would've given them an extra year to polish.

It can still be a next gen game. Nothing stopping them from releasing a definitive edition next holiday. The game is also going get significant improvments in patches.

In the end though it will be virtually the same game because the visual enhancments arent that crucial.

Again, also have to consider they might have limited development time and money. I argue thats why the game is poorly optimized.



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curl-6 on 10 September 2019
Mr Puggsly said:
curl-6 said:

I agree performance can likely be improved a bit with patches, but given their heavy focus on ray-tracing with the PC version and the overall ambitious tech they're pushing, I can't help but feel like the game they wanted to make would've been a better fit for next gen systems. That also would've given them an extra year to polish.

It can still be a next gen game. Nothing stopping them from releasing a definitive edition next holiday. The game is also going get significant improvments in patches.

In the end though it will be virtually the same game because the visual enhancments arent that crucial.

Again, also have to consider they might have limited development time and money. I argue thats why the game is poorly optimized.

Given its focus on ambitious and demanding tech I don't think that sheer technical limits can be entirely dismissed; the base PS4/Xbone are very old and outdated technology at this point.



Mr Puggsly on 11 September 2019
curl-6 said:
Mr Puggsly said:

It can still be a next gen game. Nothing stopping them from releasing a definitive edition next holiday. The game is also going get significant improvments in patches.

In the end though it will be virtually the same game because the visual enhancments arent that crucial.

Again, also have to consider they might have limited development time and money. I argue thats why the game is poorly optimized.

Given its focus on ambitious and demanding tech I don't think that sheer technical limits can be entirely dismissed; the base PS4/Xbone are very old and outdated technology at this point.

The engine itself was built function on current gen consoles. Developers cant just focus on cutting edge when they're financially depending console users.

Its kinda having it both ways. Building for consoles because thats where many gamers are. But also leveraging superior PC specs if you want more polish and better performance.

Gears 5 did a fantastic job of that by the way. Its really built for a base X1, which most consider garbage specs. Yet its somehow an impressive console game that looks great on PC.



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