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gtotheunit91 said:
TruckOSaurus said:
It's the guns. The motherfucking automatic rifles that no civilian should have at home. The US values guns and money more than people lives, it's that simple.

The 2nd amendment is what guarantees the US will never become the likes of China and Venezuela. You de-arm the civilians, the government can do whatever they want without worrying about any major retaliation. While I do agree that no one should have a need for military grade weapons, the US population has been carrying weapons for centuries now, and it hasn't been till recent times that society has deteriorated to this division that people are losing their minds. Sure, have gun control with major background checks, but that's not the entire solution, there's a sever issue in the core of society that's fueling this rage among people. But no matter what, each person has the right to defend themselves.

As if a gun would do anything against tanks, planes, nuclear weapons, submarines, biological weapons, etc.  If the government wanted you dead, a gun isn't going to stop them. 



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gtotheunit91 said:
TruckOSaurus said:
It's the guns. The motherfucking automatic rifles that no civilian should have at home. The US values guns and money more than people lives, it's that simple.

The 2nd amendment is what guarantees the US will never become the likes of China and Venezuela. You de-arm the civilians, the government can do whatever they want without worrying about any major retaliation. While I do agree that no one should have a need for military grade weapons, the US population has been carrying weapons for centuries now, and it hasn't been till recent times that society has deteriorated to this division that people are losing their minds. Sure, have gun control with major background checks, but that's not the entire solution, there's a sever issue in the core of society that's fueling this rage among people. But no matter what, each person has the right to defend themselves.

Well how did the 2nd amendment help with protecting the southern states or say the civilians during the civil war that lead to 20% of young men losing their lives(?).  Sure were also a lot of people losing their minds back then but except for some soldiers deserting and taking their guns with them to protect themself their wasn't much people could do in the end.

It must have been way easier to protect yourself against the goverment back then but even if we go back to present day their aren't many countries who have something compared to the 2nd Amendment and well the country who comes close is Yemen, you know the one that is so fecked up now in a civil war and where the goverment(s) are basically like 'oh cool you have guns well enjoy eating your bullets' leading to one the worst famine cases in recent history.

Anyway good luck those guys who own a gun for protecting themselves....

 

Against the goverment forces:






Scientists build nuclear weapons.

We should be looking at all those engineering students.

Automobile accidents probably kill more per year per capita.

Let's examine automobile manufacturers and NTSB.

Like FAA isn't in hot water these days...fwiw.

And...as a 'Gamer' and Responsible Citizen, I am heartbroken knowing the extend of damage high-caliber weapons cause, even to survivors.



The only way I'll believe that a mass shooting was 100% the fault of a video game is if some 12 year old kid shoots up 99 others around them and then starts flossing over the bodies....



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konnichiwa said:
gtotheunit91 said:

The 2nd amendment is what guarantees the US will never become the likes of China and Venezuela. You de-arm the civilians, the government can do whatever they want without worrying about any major retaliation. While I do agree that no one should have a need for military grade weapons, the US population has been carrying weapons for centuries now, and it hasn't been till recent times that society has deteriorated to this division that people are losing their minds. Sure, have gun control with major background checks, but that's not the entire solution, there's a sever issue in the core of society that's fueling this rage among people. But no matter what, each person has the right to defend themselves.

Well how did the 2nd amendment help with protecting the southern states or say the civilians during the civil war that lead to 20% of young men losing their lives(?).  Sure were also a lot of people losing their minds back then but except for some soldiers deserting and taking their guns with them to protect themself their wasn't much people could do in the end.

It must have been way easier to protect yourself against the goverment back then but even if we go back to present day their aren't many countries who have something compared to the 2nd Amendment and well the country who comes close is Yemen, you know the one that is so fecked up now in a civil war and where the goverment(s) are basically like 'oh cool you have guns well enjoy eating your bullets' leading to one the worst famine cases in recent history.

Anyway good luck those guys who own a gun for protecting themselves....

 

Against the goverment forces:

Armed drones would kill those in the above pic from the clouds, there would be no gun fight, it would be immediate and unseen.... those that weren't taken out by diabetes before the drone arrived that is.



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Chrkeller said:
gtotheunit91 said:

The 2nd amendment is what guarantees the US will never become the likes of China and Venezuela. You de-arm the civilians, the government can do whatever they want without worrying about any major retaliation. While I do agree that no one should have a need for military grade weapons, the US population has been carrying weapons for centuries now, and it hasn't been till recent times that society has deteriorated to this division that people are losing their minds. Sure, have gun control with major background checks, but that's not the entire solution, there's a sever issue in the core of society that's fueling this rage among people. But no matter what, each person has the right to defend themselves.

As if a gun would do anything against tanks, planes, nuclear weapons, submarines, biological weapons, etc.  If the government wanted you dead, a gun isn't going to stop them. 

so governments should just be able to do whatever they want with their citizens, with no resistance if they become despotic?



And to think that the orange blob in the White House was supposed to "drain the swamp" and fight corruption and lobby sell-outs of all kinds when he himself is so obviously deep in the pockets of the NRA

So that's how you Americans have a country where your leaders convince you that video games are the cause of mass shootings but weapons have nothing to do with it.

I genuinely have no solution to this madness, as long as leaders remain more concerned by selling out to lobbies over the obvious, mass shootings will continue. Over 200 this year alone in the States, absolutely no reason for this to stop or even subside.



o_O.Q said:
Chrkeller said:

As if a gun would do anything against tanks, planes, nuclear weapons, submarines, biological weapons, etc.  If the government wanted you dead, a gun isn't going to stop them. 

so governments should just be able to do whatever they want with their citizens, with no resistance if they become despotic?

First they already are despotic, (more or less depending on the country) and so far no civilian gun has stopped any of those anti-freedom endeavors. So this is a bad excuse to satisfy a primitive need to feel powerful by acquiring a weapon.

Second, like the other guy said, if the gov wants your hide, it can easily get it and no civilian weapons could stop it. Ask Hiroshima or Nagasaki Japanese civilians back in 1945 how their home weapons stopped the US from dropping nukes.

Third, there is an inherent contradiction between living in a peaceful nation and wishing to acquire weapons. That fundamentally makes no sense. Anymore than wanting to go to work in an office and dressing like you're going to the swimming pool. Or putting a costume to go to the swimming pool. In my country I want social rights, access to housing, quality hospitals, environmental policies, equality etc... In other words, I want the stuff that matters in peaceful times. Weapons are for war times. So again unless you believe you are at war, there is no good reason to wish to acquire actual weapons.

And finally if all these reasons don't get you thinking about how out of place weapons are in a peaceful society, think of all those mass shootings proving beyond any doubt that owning weapons is not only wrong, it's plain MAD!



Ganoncrotch said:
pokoko said:

Honestly, you don't know what you're talking about if you're trying to spread out statistics evenly over a country the size of the United States.  I literally live 1,000 miles away from Chicago.  

I'm not sure how your proximity to Chicago comes into play here, are you suggesting that you haven't been shot so that disproves that people get shot in the states, the figure I used which is 12.something p

You're telling me, honestly and seriously, that you do not understand that the United States, an area larger than all of Europe, contains environments that are vastly different from one another?  That there are States and cities where violence is much, much more commonplace than others?



Civil disobedience is more effective against our government than guns. If we all stopped working and crashed markets the government would care more than a few bullets.