RaptorChrist said:
colafitte said: For starters, you're comparing shipped numbers vs sold to consumers numbers. Second, despite launching both in 2017, Horizon numbers are as of Feb 2019 while Splatoon 2 numbers are as of end of June 2019. And God of War launched a complete year later, so....
Another ridiculous notion that i'm tired of hearing everywhere is that every Nintendo game is sold at 60$ for eternity and each Sony game ends at garbage bin price in just a few months. That's not true, period. Like Banaking has said earlier, Sony games can be very cheap with offers on PS Store because is absolute pure profit for Sony. Digital works very different than retail. And you can find cheap Splatoon 2, GOW and HZD in a stores everywhere if you like...
And for last....those PS4 games are still selling too. You're the kind of person when TLOU and Uncharted 4 sales news came could not believe those games sold that much, because how???, "Sony games have not legs!!", and that's because Sony doesn't care to update sales from their games as much as Nintendo, but because they don't do that it doesn't mean they are not selling well too.
Splatoon 2 must be around 8-8'5M sold to consumers which amazing on its own merit and it's going to surpass 10M, but Horizon Zero Dawn can be perfectly around 12M right now, and GOW should be close to that too. Those games keep selling, like Spider-Man and will probably end with more than 15M each. And i'm not entering in the theory that Sony games have way more competion on PS4 than Nintendo games on Switch because i know some people here don't want to accept that at all, but in my opinion it's something really to take into account.
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I'm going to offer some counter-points, because I think you are grasping for anything you can use to defend Sony in this post. Kind of like when a guilty party hires a lawyer; that lawyer will come up with the best case they can to spin things in their favor, and that's what this seems to be.
Your first point is that the Horizon numbers are out-dated while God of War had a disadvantage because it came out a year earlier. It's kind of hypocritical, because Horizon launched before Splatoon 2, so how can that be a disadvantage. Even the timeframe discrepancy offsets the release dates in favor of Horizon.
Your second point is that you are tired of hearing about how every Nintendo game is $60 for eternity while each Sony games ends up at a garbage bin price in a few months. Is has been said before that Nintendo values their IPs by not lowering the price of their games very much. This is just a true statement, good or bad. It is what it is. But no one is saying what you said. You are putting words into other people's mouths.
The odd thing is that you state that the aforementioned point is not true, but then go ahead to say that Sony games are on sale because digital is pure profit. So they are selling for a cheap price? Or aren't they? See my point?
Going back to digital games being pure profit, wouldn't a digital sale at $60 be pure profit also? Who makes more money?
And something you probably didn't consider... I can only assume you are referring to used games when you refer to those "cheap" Splatoon 2 copies you say you can find in stores. Those don't count as a sale for the purpose of the numbers we are looking at. And you can bet that Nintendo loses a lot more money to used game sales by keeping their games at full price for so long.
I apologize if I have offended you, as that is sincerely not my goal. In fact, I have lived long enough to come to terms with the fact that some people are willing to defend their platform of choice on any grounds. It doesn't matter what the debate is, you will always be there for Sony, and I respect that. And no, I'm not trying to sound condescending or to patronize you. I truly, truly mean well. I don't know how to express my most profound sense of gratitude other than to extend my metaphorical hand out to you in friendship.
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(Why i am being quoted twice for a comment i made almost a month ago??, have something happened today??....)
Well, like always i'm going to answer whatever the question people throw at me. Let's start...
1. What i stated first, and was most important was that Horizon numbers were sold to consumers while Splatoon 2 were shipped numbers. You're right, Horizon and Splatoon 2 have more or less the same time period of aligned sales for both, around 2 years exactly. Is just that for a moment when i wrote that i forgot that Splatoon 2 launched in July, so yes...my bad. My point about God of War still exists though. So the comparison with Horizon is unfair just because the sold vs shipped argument only and GOW because it had a year less of sales. Better this way?
2. I already gave an answer about that point just today before, so you are free to read what i said there, i'm not going to repeat myself again.
3. What i meant to say is that Sony uses way more digital sales for their benefit than Nintendo does. Nintendo for whatever reason don't use the tactic of make 30$ deals on the store like Sony does. Of course, 60$ digital game is more than 30$ digital game, but i was saying that because a 30$ digital game sold digitally is more for Sony than 40-50$ retail game sold in a shop too, so there's where the benefit comes to Sony.
4. When i meant "cheap" games, i didn't meant used copies..., i just meant cheaper units on sale than for 50-60$. If you search, you can find Splatoon 2 for less than 60 or 50 bucks, that's what i meant, and i'm pretty sure there must be Splatoon 2 sold at 30 or less somewhere or sometime.
5. As for the last point....., well, you can be as polite as you can writing that, but it's always the same story. I'm not defending "my platform of choice on any ground". Each time someone here do not agree with me they use the "biased/fanboy" card. Curiously they don't say anything when i say a positive thing for Nintendo or a bad thing for Sony.... but it is what it is because i "have lived long enough to come to terms" with that too.
I mantain my comments about what i said about God of War, Horizon Zero Dawn, The Last of Us and Uncharted 4 in that post. This thread was created on the basis that Splatoon 2 "sold" as many as God of War and Horizon. I just gave my opinion on that.
If you consider "nearly as much" around 8-8'5M sold to consumers for Splatoon 2 as 10-11M sold to consumers for GOW and Horizon like the OP thinks..., then i don't agree with you or the OP. That's all.