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DonFerrari said:

Well at least you aren't denying Xbox players receive 0 benefit from this move from MS.

They're not losing anything though. 

I'm a Wii U owner. I bought Bayonetta 2 back in 2014 and enjoyed the hell out of it. In 2018, they brought Bayonetta 2 to Switch. If tomorrow they announced Bayonetta 2 would be coming to Xbox, that wouldn't be taking anything away from me. I still have my copy, I still got to enjoy it ages ago and can play it again whenever I wish.



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Azzanation said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

I said profiting somewhat, and youre acting like I said they are making more money. LOL How ridiculous. I wouldnt be saying what I am saying if Phil Spencer didnt utter it himself. Xbox is going to behave like a soft third party. 1) They are merely making the console as an option. Its no longer the priority and Spencer said it himself.

2) Its not friendly competition, its giving your games to your competiton, which by definition is third party.

Well it sounded like you were saying Nintendo gain everything and Xbox gained nothing, but lets digress. They all make money which further supports the games we want to see more of in the future. 

I am a consumer. I know Microsoft is going to look out for their best interest, but its also about what is in our best interest to make sure that they give us something. Gamers get something out of the deal by getting more games, therefore the deal with Nintendo as far as YOU are concerned is not an equivalent deal. They are not working for YOUR benefit. Nothing about that deal is going back to YOU.

1) Xbox is an option, not merely an option as you stated above. They wont be investing big dollars on a merely optional product. Unless you think MS are cheaping out on the Scarlett than that's another debate for another time.

Never said that Xbox was cheaping out, but just reaffirming that that the XBox is an option to bolster my main point that Xbox is going third party. If Xbox is good at anything, its focusing on superficial things and slacking on substance when it comes to games.

2) It is pretty much friendly competition as either conpany is trying to put each other out of business (i cannot speak for Sony here, i think we all know what they want) MS is basically using the Switch as there Portable device where as Sony will make a Portable device to out do and compete with Nintendo head on as we have seen Sony try in the past on multiple occasions.

No they aren't. The Switch is purely Nintendo's. As I said, Xbox is going third party which means they know they cant directly beat their competiton, so they are using their ecosystems to expand their services like Xbox Live Silver and Game Pass. Sony wont let Xbox Live on PSN (which is Xboxes ultimate subscriber goal for consoles). They want to breach Playstations barrier, so they can get into their 100 million+ userbase to consumer their services. This will be tough to accomplish since Sony has rival services for whatever they provide.

Xbox and Nintendo are not only helping each other via selling 1st party IPs on different platforms, plus adding features like Cross-Play and helping merge the two gaming communities togother. We know Sony dont want to share the gaming space with others as we all learnt that with the Fortnite and Rocket League debacle etc. That's the directions we have seen lately with the big 3 brands. You have heard this many times now and not from me, Nintendo and Xbox are not competing for the same space. Switch sales don't hurt X1 sales as much as PS4 sales do etc.

Nintendo isnt putting first party IP's on other platforms. Think about how you worded that. Switch sales hurt Xbox just as much as PS4 do. If they are telling you it doesn't they're lying. These companies are still trying to gain marketshare until they stop competing.

Its all a wait and see approach and lets see how this all unfolds next gen. 

Phil Spencer has already told you how its going to go down next gen. Of course they'll tweak the plans based on how the gen goes, but there are many things to overcome first like Trumps tariffs. That's a story for another topic though.

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Quote - People shouldve understood this when XBox games went to Switch but nothing was given back in return. Xbox gamers are second glass citizens to the brand they built.

^So you state that Xbox gamers are 2nd glass citizens in another post.. How do you work that out? because another platform can play the same games? I mean if you want the ultimate console game experience you wouldn't be playing games like Gears or Halo on the Switch as its not rocket science that those games will be superior on the Xbox consoles.. that doesn't sound like 2nd glass citizens to me. (what ever the hell that actually means)

Yes. Your job as a console brand is NOT to act like a third party. I grew up when console brands had pride in their brands and brought out the best in one another by competing. It wasnt until Xbox that this tradition (which is successful, hence the level of their loss to Sony)was broken and Microsoft forced their paid online on people. Xbox can put their games on the Switch, but at that point this means their console in the future will be as good dead, because a large amount of people will not see a reason to buy their console. If they see that their console sales have dwindled to where the console is even less than an option, then we are only left with Sony and Nintendo. 

So lets think of it this way. Console gamers built Xbox, nothing circulates to THEM that the whole expanded ecosystem doesnt get even though the purchasing habits might not be anywhere near to equivalent. If it is or worse...god help that console.

Thats not good for us, because competition provides more for US at a fair cost. 



Chazore said:
curl-6 said:

How does bringing games like the older Halos or Cuphead to Switch make Xbox gamers second class citizens?

I would like to know this myself, because by that logic, that would make PC second class citizens as well. 

PC has nothing to do with anything. They only stand to gain because they arent seen as a direct threat to anyone. There is no way they could be second class citizens. Xbox console buyers built the console brand that is now looking beyond them.

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curl-6 said:
DonFerrari said:

Well at least you aren't denying Xbox players receive 0 benefit from this move from MS.

They're not losing anything though. 

I'm a Wii U owner. I bought Bayonetta 2 back in 2014 and enjoyed the hell out of it. In 2018, they brought Bayonetta 2 to Switch. If tomorrow they announced Bayonetta 2 would be coming to Xbox, that wouldn't be taking anything away from me. I still have my copy, I still got to enjoy it ages ago and can play it again whenever I wish.

But are they putting Bayonetta on Xbox? Why haven they?Better yet...would they?

Now lets use reason to understand why Xbox is so quick to go third party.

Last edited by S.T.A.G.E. - on 03 August 2019

curl-6 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

Nintendo and Playstation want to sell consoles because not only do they know they can win, but they survive on selling consoles. Xbox is more focused on XCloud and brand right now than the health of the Xbox console. People shouldve understood this when XBox games went to Switch but nothing was given back in return. Xbox gamers are second glass citizens to the brand they built.

How does bringing games like the older Halos or Cuphead to Switch make Xbox gamers second class citizens?

Xbox consumers don't lose out by their games going to other platforms, except in their own Ego. The only thing that suffers is Xbox Hardware relevance. If Xbox Hardware sales were to drop far enough then Xbox consumers could begin to feel consequences, but that hasn't happened yet. Unless you count the PS4 getting exclusive content and timed deals. Yet that has nothing to do with where Microsoft is putting there games as the XBO was dropping behind long before that.

The only way in which Xbox Gamers could be considered second class citizens is having to pay for gold while PC gamers do not. It's a weird situation where if you buy a Microsoft game on Microsofts own hardware you have to pay them to play online. While if you buy Microsofts games on someone elses hardware (PC) you don't. It's weird to get a worse service in that sense by buying into Microsoft and it's products to a greater extent.



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S.T.A.G.E. said:
curl-6 said:

They're not losing anything though. 

I'm a Wii U owner. I bought Bayonetta 2 back in 2014 and enjoyed the hell out of it. In 2018, they brought Bayonetta 2 to Switch. If tomorrow they announced Bayonetta 2 would be coming to Xbox, that wouldn't be taking anything away from me. I still have my copy, I still got to enjoy it ages ago and can play it again whenever I wish.

But are they putting Bayonetta on Xbox? Why haven they?Better yet...would they?

Now lets use reason to understand why Xbox is so quick to go third party.

Because they (MS) want to bring their games and services to a wider audience. But that doesn't take anything away from Xbox gamers. They lose nothing by Switch owners also being able to play Cuphead or the older Halos.



Well, that will be a really stupid idea...

If MS were to be going full-on third party then that "may" be great. On another note, if steam were owned by MS from day one and has grown to what it is now, MS would not even need an Xbox platform. This ting is simple.

While MS has Windows, MS is making zero $$ from game software sales (not published by MS) on the PC. Games sold through steam or other PC game stores. As it stands Xbox has gone from being a direct game console rival to Playstation (which lets not kid ourselves is what it was always intended to be) to becoming this gateway platform for the MS gaming ecosystem.

If the Xbox were as successful as the Playstation, the majority of the initiatives MS is taking today wouldn't even be on the cards. They just wouldn't need it.

MS needs to focus on one thing... and win it. Make one area heir own and build on that. Cause right now, they sure as hell seems like a jack of all trades and master of none.

More importantly, though Halo is already coming to PC, if MS intends to build out their presence on PC they simply can't do to their PC initiatives what they have already done to their Xbox console initiative and release their gateway games on a nintendo platform.



Barkley said:
curl-6 said:

How does bringing games like the older Halos or Cuphead to Switch make Xbox gamers second class citizens?

Xbox consumers don't lose out by their games going to other platforms, except in their own Ego. The only thing that suffers is Xbox Hardware relevance. If Xbox Hardware sales were to drop far enough then Xbox consumers could begin to feel consequences, but that hasn't happened yet. Unless you count the PS4 getting exclusive content and timed deals. Yet that has nothing to do with where Microsoft is putting there games as the XBO was dropping behind long before that.

The only way in which Xbox Gamers could be considered second class citizens is having to pay for gold while PC gamers do not. It's a weird situation where if you buy a Microsoft game on Microsofts own hardware you have to pay them to play online. While if you buy Microsofts games on someone elses hardware (PC) you don't. It's weird to get a worse service in that sense by buying into Microsoft and it's products to a greater extent.

Perfectly logical. Guess what? You're absolutely correct about the underlined part (beyond the rest). That is one of the longest standing reasons this gen why Xbox gamers are becoming second class citizens. Not only are PC gamers getting their games on steam, but they get Xbox Live Silver and play online for free while they continue to fund Xbox in a venture that they will not drop anytime soon in a monetized form. Kudos. :) 



curl-6 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

But are they putting Bayonetta on Xbox? Why haven they?Better yet...would they?

Now lets use reason to understand why Xbox is so quick to go third party.

Because they (MS) want to bring their games and services to a wider audience. But that doesn't take anything away from Xbox gamers. They lose nothing by Switch owners also being able to play Cuphead or the older Halos.

MS already has the "widest" audience on the planet there is. Windows. There are flat out more people using a windows device than any other console or computing device combined. 

Honestly, If I were MS, rather than fighting with sony, bedding with Nintendo and trying to be a Gameflix? I would kill off the Xbox console, they go all-in into a PC game store and build my services around that. 



curl-6 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

But are they putting Bayonetta on Xbox? Why haven they?Better yet...would they?

Now lets use reason to understand why Xbox is so quick to go third party.

Because they (MS) want to bring their games and services to a wider audience. But that doesn't take anything away from Xbox gamers. They lose nothing by Switch owners also being able to play Cuphead or the older Halos.

Lets think about this again. As consumers...who has gained from that deal? and who has remained the same in the share of games they have. For consumers this exchange is not equal. If you cant see that only Microsoft, Nintendo and their fanbase have gained while Xbox gamers have not, there is an issue.

Microsofts gain= Money, units of software sold and subscriptions. The potential for getting more services grows as the relationship gets more positive response.

Nintendo's gain= Expanded library, a cut of software sales and subscription fees.

Nintendo fan's gain= More Games and services that Nintendo does not provide.

Xbox fans= ????